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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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 Posted - 08/07/2014 : 06:45:00
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A comprehensive investigation of voter impersonation finds 31 credible incidents out of one billion ballots cast.
Let's say all 31 of those possibly fraudulent votes were actually attempts at in-person voter impersonation in which the person isn't bright enough to get a fake ID (cases in which voter ID laws might have worked). Let's further assume that all 31 cases occurred in the four states with the highest ID requirements, in which over 3,000 voters have been turned away due to lack of ID specifically. That would mean that - at best; at a minimum - for every person with criminal intent caught by voter ID laws, 99 innocent others have had their constitutional right to vote stripped from them.
In reality, of course, the number of people disenfranchised per fraudulent vote prevented by voter ID laws will be much higher.
Meanwhile, people truly intending to sway elections through vote fraud will continue to send in fake absentee ballots, bribe poll workers to stuff ballot boxes and/or hack voting machines. None of which require ID and so won't be prevented by voter ID laws.
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ThorGoLucky
Snuggle Wolf
USA
1486 Posts |
Posted - 08/07/2014 : 11:55:18 [Permalink]
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But if the majority of the innocent voters would have voted against my wishes...
Seriously, voter ID requirements in the USA are a transparent effort by Republicans to deny opponents their constitutional rights. |
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The Rat
SFN Regular
Canada
1370 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2014 : 17:03:29 [Permalink]
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| Up here in the Great White North, everyone of legal age is Constitutionally guaranteed the right to vote. You could be a mass murderer serving a life sentence in maximum security, and on election day a ballot, ballot box, and pencil, will be brought to you, you mark your X, and deposit it in the box. Not only is it guaranteed, but another section of our constitution protects that guarantee, and others, from ever being amended. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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The Rat
SFN Regular
Canada
1370 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2014 : 19:48:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
So up there, even people convicted of felony vote fraud get to vote?!
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Everyone. Taking it away from one person sets a precedent, and then you can argue that it should be taken away from others. If our constitution is followed, it can never happen. |
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You fiend! Never have I encountered such corrupt and foul-minded perversity! Have you ever considered a career in the Church? - The Bishop of Bath and Wells, Blackadder II
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9687 Posts |
Posted - 10/23/2014 : 08:20:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by The Rat
Originally posted by Dave W.
So up there, even people convicted of felony vote fraud get to vote?!
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Everyone. Taking it away from one person sets a precedent, and then you can argue that it should be taken away from others. If our constitution is followed, it can never happen.
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We have the same system in Sweden too. And I agree, taking the rights away from some sets a dangerous precedent indeed. Just look at the mess in several states in the US where people left and right (mostly left) loose their God-given right to decide their future leader.
Sure, in Sweden a valid ID is required, but getting hold of a valid ID not a huge problem.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26020 Posts |
Posted - 12/26/2014 : 23:16:26 [Permalink]
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Ed Brayton finally caught wind of this study. He doesn't add much, but quotes the money paragraph:[R]equirements to show ID at the polls are designed for pretty much one thing: people showing up at the polls pretending to be somebody else in order to each cast one incremental fake ballot. This is a slow, clunky way to steal an election. Which is why it rarely happens. |
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