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@tomic
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 Posted - 06/03/2002 : 10:45:33 [Permalink]
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From what I saw on the news the USA bombed the hell out of the very people responsible for attacking it. They had it coming.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/03/2002 : 10:51:12 [Permalink]
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Of course, the Good guys always kill the Bad guys on the news, and Jesus is right behind them.
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From what I saw on the news the USA bombed the hell out of the very people responsible for attacking it. They had it coming.
Gravity, not just a good idea...it's the law!
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Slater
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Posted - 06/03/2002 : 10:51:14 [Permalink]
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So, as always, we are limited to two extremes where in every scenario there are never two sides to a story. Give up and feel bad about it, or do something extreme.
Gee wiz, do you think that if we had given up to the Japanese and the Nazis we would have felt a little bad about it?
Do you think we hit those poor sweet babies too hard?
We wouldn't have hit them at all if they had left us alone.
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Slater
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Posted - 06/03/2002 : 11:01:54 [Permalink]
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Of course, the Good guys always kill the Bad guys on the news, and Jesus is right behind them.
Of course the news also says that the FBI has started monitoring the inter net for terrorists and supporters. This would kinda leave you in a lose / lose situation. If you are wrong about the US you'll be safe but you'll have lost support for your political stance. If you are right, you'll be in deep sh-t.
Afghanistan, Iraq, now Imperial Japan... ouch! Good luck Gorgo, I hope for your sake, you're mistaken.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/03/2002 : 11:02:41 [Permalink]
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You didn't hear a thing I said.
To put in another way, the world might be a little different than that viewed by a scared twelve-year-old.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/03/2002 : 11:05:07 [Permalink]
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Sorry, I don't understand what you're talking about. Lose/lose what? Deep sh_t what?
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Of course the news also says that the FBI has started monitoring the inter net for terrorists and supporters. This would kinda leave you in a lose / lose situation. If you are wrong about the US you'll be safe but you'll have lost support for your political stance. If you are right, you'll be in deep sh-t.
Afghanistan, Iraq, now Imperial Japan... ouch! Good luck Gorgo, I hope for your sake, you're mistaken.
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@tomic
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Posted - 06/03/2002 : 11:06:05 [Permalink]
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I think slater did hear what you said. The problem is thast it didn't make any sense at all.
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Garrette
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Posted - 06/03/2002 : 11:19:20 [Permalink]
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I have just a little time, and couldn't let this comment by Gorgo slide past:
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Or, in the case of Afghanistan, let's bomb people that are complete strangers to the bully, victims of the bully in fact instead of using our resources to actually improve the situation.
If by “complete strangers” you mean the Taliban, then you are mistaken because they are not strangers to the bully.
If you mean, as I think you do, that we are bombing civilians in their villages, then you are mistaken because we are not doing it.
Regarding the use of our resources to improve the situation, I have two points:
1. We don't have to, nor are we morally obligate to
2. We're doing it anyway.
Check this link which gives a quick summary of one small portion of the military-led relief effort. I am not affiliated with the unit in this article but I know of them.
http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/local_news/article/0,1406,KNS_347_1183178,00.html
I am affiliated with similar units and personally know of more intensive efforts along these same lines going on in territory even less friendly than that around Kabul and Bagram. Many tonnages of food gathered and delivered along with other supplies.
Want to know the biggest hold up in getting relief to the populace? Tribal friction.
Imagine having 20 tons of food in a warehouse. The only thing preventing it from being delivered is that the 12 tribal leaders involved in the distribution area can't agree on the method of travel, the means of security, or the division of the food.
That's about all I can say now. We're doing what you say we're not, and we're not doing what you say we are, Gorgo. And everything we're doing is at great risk to our soldiers.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/03/2002 : 11:31:24 [Permalink]
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We've been over this before, Garrette. I don't agree with your reasoning, and since @tomic is just going to use whatever I say as an excuse to spout nonsense, I don't see much point in rehashing it. He hasn't reached Rubysue in insanity, but he's trying.
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@tomic
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Posted - 06/03/2002 : 11:38:48 [Permalink]
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I'm spouting nonsense when I point out that you can't understand what slater is saying even after he dumbed it down to 4th grade level for you?
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/03/2002 : 13:59:22 [Permalink]
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Mistaken about what?
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Good luck Gorgo, I hope for your sake, you're mistaken.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/03/2002 : 14:16:39 [Permalink]
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Forgive me if I don't take the easy way out and say that must be why you understand it. I'm above that.
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I'm spouting nonsense when I point out that you can't understand what slater is saying even after he dumbed it down to 4th grade level for you?
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Tokyodreamer
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Posted - 06/03/2002 : 15:29:28 [Permalink]
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We've been over this before, Garrette. I don't agree with your reasoning,
Garette didn't post an opinion, he claimed a fact. You say we're bombing civilians. He says we are not. Have/can you prove him wrong?
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/03/2002 : 16:15:40 [Permalink]
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Garrette posted a P.R. piece. It has been reasonably shown that more civilians were killed in Afghanistan than were killed in the World Trade Center. It has been shown the U.S. had a good idea that they were risking the lives of hundreds of thousands of people when they started. We'll never know how many died because of U.S. bombing.
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Garette didn't post an opinion, he claimed a fact. You say we're bombing civilians. He says we are not. Have/can you prove him wrong?
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Slater
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Posted - 06/03/2002 : 16:28:14 [Permalink]
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it has been reasonably shown that more civilians were killed in Afghanistan than were killed in the World Trade Center. ... We'll never know how many died because of U.S. bombing.
Reasonably shown by whom.
How did we get from the first claim to the second admission?
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