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Tokyodreamer
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Posted - 07/05/2001 :  07:44:00  Show Profile Send Tokyodreamer a Private Message
Hey Clonaid man!

Crazy world, huh?

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Lisa
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Posted - 07/05/2001 :  12:18:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Lisa a Private Message
If she'd put the same amount of energy into finding a cure for (name your favourite disease/syndrome here), she'd be doing humanity a favor. Instead, she's guarenteed a spot on the Jerry Springer show, or a clone thereof. (Yes, it's a bad pun, I know that. But I've had A LOT of coffee this morning) Bzzzzzz
Lisa

Chaos...Confusion...Destruction...My Work Here Is Done

Edited by - Lisa on 07/05/2001 12:19:27
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Rift
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USA
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Posted - 07/05/2001 :  13:21:00   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Rift a Private Message
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The Raelians, who are atheists...


What a joke. I don't care if you worship a grandfatherly old figure in the clouds or a bunch of genetic engineering aliens, it is STILL a religion.

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Marc_a_b
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Posted - 07/05/2001 :  13:41:18   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Marc_a_b an AOL message Send Marc_a_b a Private Message
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What a joke. I don't care if you worship a grandfatherly old figure in the clouds or a bunch of genetic engineering aliens, it is STILL a religion.



So, do the Raelians think the aliens evolved or were created by 'god'? Saying a creator or intelligent designer was an alien species only pushes back that question one step.

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Espritch
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Posted - 07/08/2001 :  11:58:01   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Espritch's Homepage Send Espritch a Private Message
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So, do the Raelians think the aliens evolved or were created by 'god'? Saying a creator or intelligent designer was an alien species only pushes back that question one step.



Don't be silly. The aliens were designed by other aliens who where designed by other aliens...it's aliens all the way down




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Lars_H
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Germany
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Posted - 07/08/2001 :  13:11:29   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Lars_H a Private Message
I find the way the news-article far more disturbing then the project of the Raelians.
The Author of the article seems to attack the raelians not because they belive in unscientific crap but because they belive in different crap then him.

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The lead scientist of a UFO cult that believes life on Earth was genetically engineered by visitors from outer space says she may go to court to protect her human cloning project from U.S. government scrutiny.

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Group founder Rael was formerly known as French journalist Claude Vorilhon before he reported being contacted by the Elohim in 1973.

So if he was a scientist, who believed that life on earth was created by some sort of supernatural being, that despite being just one entity was refered to as the Elohim, it would be OK? And a french race car driver is inherently a less reliable source then a jewish carpenter? Calling them an UFO cult may have some truth in it but does not sound terrible objective.

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The Raelians, who are atheists, view cloning as the means for humankind to achieve eternal life and said at the time of Clonaid's launch that the service would offer infertile or homosexual couples the chance to have children.


I think he uses atheist as a disparaging description here and not as an undeserved compliment. The remark about homosexual couples appears to be aimed to further show what godless UFO nuts the Raelians are.

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The potential for human cloning, which aims to reproduce human beings by inserting their DNA into unfertilized eggs, has been widely condemned on moral grounds and banned in some parts of the globe.

CONCERNS RAISED BY RESEARCHERS AND ETHICISTS

Some researchers and ethicists also have raised concerns because of a high rate of failures and deformities among the animal clones that have followed in Dolly's wake.



This part is pure propaganda. Refering to some "researchers and ethicists" and saying that cloning has been "widely condemned on moral grounds" seeks to mislead the reader. He also attempts to create the impression that cloning can never work because we have not yet perfected the process.

I personally thing that we have more to fear from jounalism like that then from nuts and their pipe-dreams like Rael.

Regarding the general concept of panspermia, I have to say, that it is not that mad (Raels version is, but that is another story).

The only thing that is speaking against it, is that it is cut away by Occams razor. It does not offer any additional value and just transfers the general problem of abiogenesis to a different time and place.

The theory of panspermia has it's value as a "Gedanken Experiment", a publicity gag for NASA, or a explanation in Sci-Fi series, why everybody looks so much like a human with makeup.

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Tokyodreamer
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Posted - 07/09/2001 :  08:14:30   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Tokyodreamer a Private Message
I really don't think the author had any nefarious reasons for using the term 'atheist'. I believe he was just pointing out that, as atheists, the Raelians don't believe in any kind of supernatural afterlife, thus their desire for cloning as a way to achieve immortality through science.

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Edited by - tokyodreamer on 07/09/2001 08:15:10
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Lars_H
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Germany
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Posted - 07/10/2001 :  04:05:52   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Lars_H a Private Message
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I would like to rail against the Raelians, tar and feather them, and send them back where they came from, riding on a celestial rail.



Why?



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