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Snake
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 Posted - 07/21/2001 : 16:26:06 [Permalink]
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Snake! How narrow-minded of you! That's what I used to think of asparagus until I tried it roasted instead of steamed. See what a little wine and hunger can do to a person! Never say never!
Thanks, good idea, I never liked that filthy stuff either, but I could handle it BBQ'd, maybe. And besides, steamed is too limp!
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On a serious note, I agree that people should be able to be with whomever they want without judgement. The world can benefit from a little more love, in any form.
I think as a society, the trend is that we are all becoming a little more focused on our personal desires. This can be liberating, but it also comes with a price. We are already seeing the impact of divorce in heterosexual relationships. Single parent homes are at an all time high. I've been reading some articles about the correlation between lack of affection/attention given to a child and the increase of violent tendencies in the child. I get a little concerned that as our family unit continues to evolve that violence will continue to be an issue. Of course, sex doesn't have to be about family or children so take what I say in the right context ; )
I was 11 when I found out what the word divorce meant. Our gym teacher who was young and pretty, was rumored to be newly divorced. I had just started Jr. high and didn't know what was going on. Everyone talked about her like she was strange. But once I understood what it was I wished to hell my parents would get a divorce. The best part of the day was when I'd come home and they were not there, out of the house. You might be right about violence. I used to beat up my brother, you think it's because my mother didn't hold me? Although I didn't let her, either. She and I were never close.
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When I think about sexuality, I don't think in terms of right or wrong, I think in terms of healthy.
Of course protection is #1. Wouldn't want to 'sleep' with someone who has a disease. Sex is never wrong if you enjoy it.
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Zandermann
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USA
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Posted - 07/21/2001 : 23:12:34 [Permalink]
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...But 2nd, only men are capable of emotional intimacy.
*Definitely* have to disagree with that. ...
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What I meant, of course, was that your statement does not match my experience, does not match the experiences of folks I've talked to about it...and I have to add that I am agreeing with TD's "I'm beginning to think you're saying these things on purpose, trying to get a rise out of the women who frequent here!" (and the other men).
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 07/22/2001 : 00:16:05 [Permalink]
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...But 2nd, only men are capable of emotional intimacy.
*Definitely* have to disagree with that. ...
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What I meant, of course, was that your statement does not match my experience, does not match the experiences of folks I've talked to about it...and I have to add that I am agreeing with TD's "I'm beginning to think you're saying these things on purpose, trying to get a rise out of the women who frequent here!" (and the other men).
Anyone can think what they want. Doesn't bother me. I also have expierence knowing that there are only very few people who are truly 'open minded' enough to listen to what it being said and not be so quick to critisize or even condem when it's something THEY don't like to hear or agree with.
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Zandermann
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 07/22/2001 : 00:20:13 [Permalink]
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...I also have expierence knowing that there are only very few people who are truly 'open minded' enough to listen to what it being said and not be so quick to critisize or even condem when it's something THEY don't like to hear or agree with.
Please reread my posts...I believe you will see that I have neither criticized nor condemned...I simply said that my experiences do not match your conclusion.
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 07/22/2001 : 00:42:15 [Permalink]
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...I also have expierence knowing that there are only very few people who are truly 'open minded' enough to listen to what it being said and not be so quick to critisize or even condem when it's something THEY don't like to hear or agree with.
Please reread my posts...I believe you will see that I have neither criticized nor condemned...I simply said that my experiences do not match your conclusion.
You misunderstood. I was making that statement toward everyone/anyone who jumps to conclusions. Nothing personal Zandermann.
Please notice I said THEY, meaning more then one(person).
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comradebillyboy
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 07/22/2001 : 01:49:51 [Permalink]
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if you'd like to hear about how one doctor thought I belonged in a mental institution, I'll be happy to tell you.
ok snake, how many doctors did not want you in a mental institution?
i get confused by too many categories, i have three: 1)things i like to do,2) things i dont like to do but will do for money. 3) things i would not even do for money. its good to keep things simple.
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Snake
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USA
2511 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2001 : 02:15:42 [Permalink]
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if you'd like to hear about how one doctor thought I belonged in a mental institution, I'll be happy to tell you.
ok snake, how many doctors did not want you in a mental institution?
Well, I only know of two in the past who probably thought I should be in one but of all the others I've seen or do see now, I don't know what their thoughts are. And since they were only medical doctors I don't put much trust in what they thought.
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i get confused by too many categories, i have three: 1)things i like to do,2) things i dont like to do but will do for money. 3) things i would not even do for money. its good to keep things simple.
comrade billyboy
Hum! I only have ONE. Since I don't care much about money, I only do things I like anyway. I'm an egotist, ''let them eat cake''.
But Billy, if there are things you wouldn't do but for money then don't you think if someone paid you enough you Would do it? In other words, if money is the criteria everything has a price, you can be bought.
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Deborah
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 07/22/2001 : 02:28:33 [Permalink]
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I was 11 when I found out what the word divorce meant. Our gym teacher who was young and pretty, was rumored to be newly divorced. I had just started Jr. high and didn't know what was going on. Everyone talked about her like she was strange. But once I understood what it was I wished to hell my parents would get a divorce. The best part of the day was when I'd come home and they were not there, out of the house. You might be right about violence. I used to beat up my brother, you think it's because my mother didn't hold me? Although I didn't let her, either. She and I were never close.
My parents divorced when I was 4. I NEVER for a moment wished my parents would get back together. Divorce is probably the best thing that ever happened to me. I would be SERIOUSLY nuts if I was raised by my biological father. My mother, and step-father, love(d) me very much. I can say that I have never acted violently towards another person. Ok, well, not violently enough that I could get arrested for it. I don't think divorce is the motivating factor for an increase in violence. I think a lack of involvement, concern, love etc.. is where I was headed. Stability is important to children. I think that it doesn't have to be in a traditonal family setting, but whatever the setting is it should be stable and supportive.
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 07/22/2001 : 03:17:45 [Permalink]
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I think that it doesn't have to be in a traditonal family setting, but whatever the setting is it should be stable and supportive.
Oh Brother Deb, did you ever hit the nail on the head.
Outwardly my family wasn't so different then any other, as traditional as any, give or take. BUT supportive, that's the key. My mother tried to make me 'fit in' always told me no one would like me if I was different. Instead of encouraging me, she tried to make me cover up my expressivness. So you are so right, just having two parents is not enough. In fact I tried to do all the opposit(of what my parents did) to my kids. Even though I hated one of them. I tried not to show it.
Deb, will you be my mommy?!!
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Zandermann
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 07/22/2001 : 08:13:23 [Permalink]
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You misunderstood. I was making that statement toward everyone/anyone who jumps to conclusions. Nothing personal Zandermann.
Please notice I said THEY, meaning more then one(person).
In fact I understood that it was YOUR expierence, I almost commented on that. Just as you understand what I say are MY views.
my apologies, Snake...I was a little hypersensitive there.
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Deborah
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 07/22/2001 : 13:30:17 [Permalink]
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Deb, will you be my mommy?!!
HaHa Snake! A friend of mine was visiting this week and brought her SCREAMING banchee baby along with her. Yikes! I'm glad her time with me is complete! After she left my boyfriend had to reassure me that I will be a great parent and that I won't want to give my baby away if it turns out like my friend's banchee baby. 
Do you cry much?
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comradebillyboy
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 07/22/2001 : 14:19:38 [Permalink]
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Hum! I only have ONE. Since I don't care much about money, I only do things I like anyway. I'm an egotist, ''let them eat cake''.
But Billy, if there are things you wouldn't do but for money then don't you think if someone paid you enough you Would do it? In other words, if money is the criteria everything has a price, you can be bought.
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perhaps you are right snake but no one has felt it worth their while to find my price. since my virtue is untested.....who knows?
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Slater
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 07/22/2001 : 14:47:33 [Permalink]
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That's BANSHEE Deb. It means a "woman (ban) of the Sidhe (pronounced she. The Sidhe are the Fairy folk which leads us back to this conversation.
Question: why are people who are disgusted with homosexuality being called "phobic"? I thought a phobia was an irrational fear not a matter of taste. There is no fear, irrational or otherwise, being expressed.
My thought is that I would rather think that people were afraid of me, leaving me in a position of dominance, than that they were repulsed by me, leaving me in a position of submission.
Why is it alright to slander people whom homosexuals dislike but not alright for these people to slander homosexuals? Why do not the same set of morals apply to both groups?
Living in San Francisco I have noticed that there are any number of topics that one must never mention. SF liberals will jump down your throat at any slip of the tongue. (I made the mistake of calling a 12 year old boy who was paralyzed in both legs and one arm, and had just gone blind, a "cripple" You would have thought I was the Devil himself. Thank gawd I didn't call him an Oriental).
Every year at Gay Pride weekend the city clears out, a good quater of the population leaves (I went down south to study some molting elephant seals, myself) because the tolerated behaviour (which would normally land any one else in jail) makes the city unliveable. And yet I dare not complain about about the city becoming an open air mad house because I would be "Homophobic."
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Snake
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USA
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Posted - 07/23/2001 : 01:50:05 [Permalink]
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Deb, will you be my mommy?!!
HaHa Snake! A friend of mine was visiting this week and brought her SCREAMING banchee baby along with her. Yikes! I'm glad her time with me is complete! After she left my boyfriend had to reassure me that I will be a great parent and that I won't want to give my baby away if it turns out like my friend's banchee baby.
Ouch! I absolutitly HATE babies. If I'm watching TV and one is on the screen, I have to look away. They are disgusting creaturs. Don't like kids of any age really but babies are the worst.
Don't worry, if you really want to have kids, you'll deal with it. You are in a daze for only the 1st 10 years, then it's a breeze. Me! I once tried to kill my 1st, shhh, don't tell anyone. Heh, he.
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 07/23/2001 : 02:17:36 [Permalink]
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Question: why are people who are disgusted with homosexuality being called "phobic"? I thought a phobia was an irrational fear not a matter of taste.
But I think it is a fear. People might recognize a slight attraction to the same sex and have a fear that they are homosexual. I have seen very beautiful men and women that I am attracted to but really have no thought of being with a women sexually. I'm not afraid, but I think some people are worried about admitting what they think for fear others will accuse them. Therefore it is a phobia.
I've asked (hetro)men why they wouldn't want a 2nd man in bed with them while they were with one women, have been told they wouldn't like the idea of being touched(rubbed against), if even accidently by the other man. Sounds like a fear to me.
BTW, SF, interesting little town but I wouldn't want to live there.
I was recently told there are plans to shut down Alcatraz, do you know anything about that? Of all the times I've been to SF, have never seen it and would like to. |
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