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Badman
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United Kingdom
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 Posted - 10/31/2003 : 12:52:54 [Permalink]
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Buffalo BILLS Aside, come on guys!
I don't expect you to believe me - i just expect you to acknowledge that i have had an experience that doesn't register in common sense adn cannot be proved. Beleive me (!) when i fisrt started this thread i was really trying to concentrate on debunking psychics - it seems i have only suceeded in representing them.
IT Seems that when people try to say to you to prove something, they are looking for proof that can be verified elsewhere. I SAY THIS IS NONSENSE. you cannot prove that something that happened once and in a particular scenario will likely happen exactly the same way again. You just cannot do it. Try to do it - i guarantee you won't be able to.
REGARDING teh deja vu - i saw the episode in my dream and it was like watching a movie - when i saw it happen AGAIN, i KNEW it was something i had experienced before! There is no question of free will here - what happened happened. I am inclined to say that free will doesn't exist now, but i know i would be not telling a truth. It seems, in retrospect, that free will is a dichotomy. It may be alright to say that we are free, but when predestination comes in, we are not as free as we thought we were. But it is not as simple as that. It is a paradox. And a paradox is not simple logic or common sense. Consider a God. Consider that this God knows everything we know and will ever know and more. DOESN'T IT SEEM PROBABLY THEN THAT GOD KNOWS WHAT IS BEST FOR US BASED ON WHAT WE DO NOT KNOW? (THAT IS, THE FUTURE?) and think, if we knew the future, would we be able to change it if God knew that it was not something we had no control over?
You say that if i dream something that comes true that i have no free will. But i can do whatever i want to, can't i? To render a creation perfect, and to give to the creations perfect freedom, is to make a possibility a reality. To make a possibility a reality is to give one minute piece of freedom to a creation. Does God really KNOW what will happen? Yes of course. Except, we do not know! How can you be so sure of yourself that you question why you were born in a particular place and time, and yet you deem it right that you can question the existence of God because you do not know where you came from?  |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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Posted - 10/31/2003 : 14:11:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Badman
Buffalo BILLS Aside, come on guys!
I don't expect you to believe me - i just expect you to acknowledge that i have had an experience that doesn't register in common sense adn cannot be proved. Beleive me (!) when i fisrt started this thread i was really trying to concentrate on debunking psychics - it seems i have only suceeded in representing them.
IT Seems that when people try to say to you to prove something, they are looking for proof that can be verified elsewhere. I SAY THIS IS NONSENSE. you cannot prove that something that happened once and in a particular scenario will likely happen exactly the same way again. You just cannot do it. Try to do it - i guarantee you won't be able to.
REGARDING teh deja vu - i saw the episode in my dream and it was like watching a movie - when i saw it happen AGAIN, i KNEW it was something i had experienced before! There is no question of free will here - what happened happened. I am inclined to say that free will doesn't exist now, but i know i would be not telling a truth. It seems, in retrospect, that free will is a dichotomy. It may be alright to say that we are free, but when predestination comes in, we are not as free as we thought we were. But it is not as simple as that. It is a paradox. And a paradox is not simple logic or common sense. Consider a God. Consider that this God knows everything we know and will ever know and more. DOESN'T IT SEEM PROBABLY THEN THAT GOD KNOWS WHAT IS BEST FOR US BASED ON WHAT WE DO NOT KNOW? (THAT IS, THE FUTURE?) and think, if we knew the future, would we be able to change it if God knew that it was not something we had no control over?
You say that if i dream something that comes true that i have no free will. But i can do whatever i want to, can't i? To render a creation perfect, and to give to the creations perfect freedom, is to make a possibility a reality. To make a possibility a reality is to give one minute piece of freedom to a creation. Does God really KNOW what will happen? Yes of course. Except, we do not know! How can you be so sure of yourself that you question why you were born in a particular place and time, and yet you deem it right that you can question the existence of God because you do not know where you came from?
I store silver acetylide in open air. It goes blewie. Will every time and in the exact same manner.
I don't believe in predestination. I believe that some events close to the present in the current decision stream that are highly emotionally charged can show warnings of itself. Humans make choices every day that change the future. By actively moving on some percieved deja vu one can either affirm it or prevent it.
But that's my opinion.
I'm glad that you have found a God which suits you. Don't expect us to follow you. My God doesn't interfere in the natural world, only in my own private spiritual one. Works for me.
There is no empirical evidence for or against the existance of a supreme being. God, being a theological construct to describe an assumed existance of a supreme being, is not quantifiably measurable. Once a devine thing is measured and quantified, it ceases to be devine. |
Cthulhu/Asmodeus when you're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils
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Badman
New Member
United Kingdom
20 Posts |
Posted - 11/01/2003 : 10:37:21 [Permalink]
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I believe i was mashed when i wrote that last one. Sorry.
Firstly, let me admit that i am out on the God thing...
Secondly, let me say that i do not think God CAN be the same for every person. And also that i never intended on representing God in any way.
Devine? Last i saw it was DIvine.
Maybe God is DIV-vine.
I cannot see the future. Sometimes i see something in my dream and later it happens. In that sense, i have seen the future. No big deal. Happens to most people a lot of the time. Try rationalising it. |
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Dave W.
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Badman
New Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/02/2003 : 10:23:25 [Permalink]
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I see a fat man |
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