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Marc_a_b
Skeptic Friend
USA
142 Posts |
 Posted - 07/30/2001 : 12:51:18
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People in connection with that lawyer Zammit, (the guy who claims there is overwhelming evidence of an afterlife by citing just about every paranormal claim around) have started an e-group called SurvivalScience.
A couple of us skeptics have managed to sneak into the group. Pretty active but it's a bit daunting when you got about two skeptics among a number of people who will bring up even Geller and Scole references as proof.
Anyone care to put on a uniform and take a peek at the front lines?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/survivalscience/messages
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
1447 Posts |
 Posted - 07/30/2001 : 12:55:58 [Permalink]
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Anyone care to put on a uniform and take a peek at the front lines?
I signed up to join, and removed all references to skepticism, atheism, and secular humanism from my profile at Yahoo! Groups.  I'm waiting to be approved.
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Marc_a_b
Skeptic Friend
USA
142 Posts |
Posted - 07/30/2001 : 13:39:34 [Permalink]
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Welcome aboard!
My old buddy Pierre is the point man on there, with me taking an occasional shot.
Not sure if there are any other skeptics. See you inside.
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
1447 Posts |
Posted - 07/30/2001 : 14:32:07 [Permalink]
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Welcome aboard!
My old buddy Pierre is the point man on there, with me taking an occasional shot.
Not sure if there are any other skeptics. See you inside.
Whew! The first message I got was a response from the Moderator to Pierre, complaining that his argument was nonsensical, and how he was going to delete future posts like his! Gonna be fun! 
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
2511 Posts |
Posted - 07/30/2001 : 18:33:29 [Permalink]
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Anyone care to put on a uniform and take a peek at the front lines?
I signed up to join, and removed all references to skepticism, atheism, and secular humanism from my profile at Yahoo! Groups. I'm waiting to be approved.
LOL
Hey, I wouldn't mind taking a peek. But you know,... there is an after life. My idea of that is that when something dies, the particals of that body go into the ground, and return in the form of a leaf when the nutrients are taken up by the tree, or somesuch thing like that.
If you want to join my e-group here's the address:
FreeSpeechforFreethinkers@yahoogroups.com
And you can say anything you want on there.
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
2511 Posts |
Posted - 07/30/2001 : 20:46:05 [Permalink]
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Anyone care to put on a uniform and take a peek at the front lines?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/survivalscience/messages
I have to Thank You. Thank you.
I went over to another Screen Name on AOL to join that group. (I didn't want to change my profile on Yahoo) I'm, actually Woody, my dog is now registered on Yahoo too. Let's hope he gets accepted to that group.
But the happy news is, because I was on another Screen Name I didn't have this SFN address bookmarked and did a search to get it. Another group came up on the list. One that I used to belong to years and years ago but lost track of. Turns out they relocated their clubhouse just a couple of miles from me and I never knew. I'd been thinking about them and wanted to find out where they were but never got around to it. And then when I least expected, there they were. And I owe it all to your skepticism at SurvivalScience.
Thank you, thank you.
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Pyrrho
New Member
USA
9 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2001 : 11:34:50 [Permalink]
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I'm not in the Survival Science group itself, but I was put on an email list that gets comments from the Survival group from time to time. Lots of wrangling in the email lately about the value of anecdotes as evidence. One man's garbage is another man's treasure, I guess.
What intrigues me is the constant shift of meanings and outright attempts to rewrite commonly known definitions so that certain terms can be used to prove a point. Anecdotes are now called "case histories" or "testimony", as if that will make them credible. Skeptics are materialist cynics, believers are 'true skeptics', paranormal is normal, yes means no and no means yes and opinion equals proof and reality is imaginary anyway, so anything is valid evidence.
I suggest Dramamine to control the dizziness you will suffer from time to time. Good luck, and watch out for falling paradigms.
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Marc_a_b
Skeptic Friend
USA
142 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2001 : 13:24:52 [Permalink]
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Man goes on to prove black is white, white is black, and is killed at the next zebra crossing.
Those messages you get are pretty much it. There are a few links, documents, and book recomendations too, but the main thing is the mailing list.
Calling themselves "true skeptics" seems to be a trend among some paranormalists. Or similar redefinitions. One member of another board has redefined skeptic to one who witholds judgement until they are better informed. However if they don't believe then they are not skeptics, they are merely cynics. There are also the accusations of 'skeptics' using the same tired old erronous arguments, while at the same time they are makeing the same tired old erronous arguments like saying skeptics claim to "know everything".
Acceptance of all positive anecdotal evidence. Complete denial of an logic or evidence that goes against the belief, and now the threats to delete those 'causing trouble', saying we are not actualy discussing anything.
Yup, par for the course. I've been on a few message boards, read books by Sylvia Brown, Brian Weiss, and Gary Schwartz and survived, gave me a good tolerance to getting dizzy.
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