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Renae
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Posted - 04/11/2004 :  12:13:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Renae a Private Message
Wait a sec. Two questions.

Is the "man laying with man" thing all the Bible says against homosexuality? 'Cause that means I could lie with a woman and still not sin, 'cause I'm a girl. (if I believed in this stuff, which I don't)

Also, at what point does physical homosexual contact become a sin? Two women or two men cannot do the penis-in-vagina thing (apologies for the bluntness here.) So...is fondling a sin? Kissing? Gential bumping? Orgasm?

Serious questions.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 04/11/2004 :  14:02:30   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
Renae wrote:
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Is the "man laying with man" thing all the Bible says against homosexuality? 'Cause that means I could lie with a woman and still not sin, 'cause I'm a girl. (if I believed in this stuff, which I don't)
Romans 1:26 is allegedly the only mention of lesbianism in the Bible (women turning away from "natural use"), and yeah, it's allegedly bad, too.
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Also, at what point does physical homosexual contact become a sin? Two women or two men cannot do the penis-in-vagina thing (apologies for the bluntness here.) So...is fondling a sin? Kissing? Gential bumping? Orgasm?
Well, Judas kissed Jesus to show the Romans which one of the group was the trouble-maker, so it can't be that, as otherwise Jesus would have been tipped off immediately. Instead, Jesus was rather upset that a kiss was used for betrayal at all.

I don't believe the Bible speaks to fondling or bumping. It does, however, speak of sodomy. And for Catholics, any male orgasm not targeted at making a baby is forbidden.

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Ricky
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Posted - 04/11/2004 :  16:45:17   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
Now I'm no Christian, but I would say that it would become wrong (just want to make clear, I don't believe it is wrong) when it turns from a show of love (kissing especially) into passion and pleasure.

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
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Woody D
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Thailand
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Posted - 04/11/2004 :  17:07:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Woody D a Private Message
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Originally posted by Dave W.
And for Catholics, any male orgasm not targeted at making a baby is forbidden.


Oh! So, Mormons stem from the Catholics? When a woman is no longer able to have children, the husband finds another one who can. All this time I thought Joe thought it up on his own. Whoops, excuse me, that god told him to do it.
Isn't talking about sex fun? When are you going to add a pornography folder? I'd like to see to believe.

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Maverick
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Posted - 04/13/2004 :  11:12:33   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Maverick a Private Message
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Originally posted by creation88

I regret to say that I live in the northeast, where being gay is accepted as normal. I as a chrstian hate gays as so many people think we do. But I dis-agree with them on almost every topic spiritualy and sociely. Therefore there not generally the people I hang out with. Nor do I tend to hang out with people who have careless sex. Or a husband who is not faithful to his wife. I believe in the eyes of God, that no matter how Bible-banging typical christian it sounds, these are just as sinnful in God's eyes as being gay. So instead of saying I live in a region that is to accepting of gay's. I should say I live in a country that to accepting of sinnful sexual behavior.



What I think is one of the reasons why you *say* that you don't spend any time with people who are gay, might just because they who are gay, don't dare to tell you that they are. Why do you hate people not based on what they have done to harm others, but rather on something so silly as to who they prefer to have sex with?

And, you're also living in a country that accepts people who hate people who have never done any harm to another human being. Aren't you thankful? :) Is this what true christians should be like?

"Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy." -- Carl Sagan
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