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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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 Posted - 04/15/2004 : 08:48:38 [Permalink]
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Valiant Dancer wrote:quote:
I was basing the 5' figure on an estimation of the hole's size in relation to the structural figure showing damage. I saw that the hole was about the width of the space between two support columns. the report mentioned that the entry hole was about 40' wide destroying eight support columns. My guestimation could definately be wrong by a factor of 2.
Here's another photo of the hole.
There's at least one diagram in the report which clearly shows the column lines being ten feet apart. Eight columns "missing or broken" mean something 80 feet wide (at least) smacked into the building hard enough to push the whole outside wall in, but apparently, the part which actually penetrated is smaller. As already noted, the impact damage to the facade runs from North of column line 8, all the way to the gashes found at line 20, where it is presumed that the right wingtip hit.
Wow. Photos like this one are incredibly misleading, as they don't even show the whole first floor. You can't even see the wheels of the emergency vehicles. This makes all the "where is the plane?" questions amongst the comments really strange. I bet someone could have posted a photo of an undamaged East side of the building, and random Internet conspiracy theorists would still ask, "where's the plane?!?!?!!1!"
Note, however, that you can see facade damage on the second floor, south of the collapse.
This photo shows the facade damage on the north side of the collapse, along with shoring to replace missing columns. It also shows a large pile of debris to the left of the collapse, but I suppose it's hard to tell if any of it is melted aluminum.
I kept skimming that "physics" article. Yuck. Very sloppy, full of straw-man arguments. The main one appears to be that "they" claim that the plane exploded and vaporized itself. The author spends a lot of time arguing against such a ridiculous idea, which is a tremendous waste of effort.
And I laughed out loud on page three, where he wrote:Lets apply some more critical thinking. He should have been applying critical thinking all the time, and shouldn't have to point it out. But I suppose, because he avoids critical thinking elsewhere, it was a special case.
For example, he makes the argument that the hole to AE Drive could not have been made by an engine, as it would have had to travel through 18 feet of stone walls (he assumes - incorrectly - that each ring has 3-foot-thick stone walls) at an angle of 45 degrees, for 27 feet, total (let's just ignore the poor math - 18 times root 2 is 25.46). He claims an engine couldn't possibly do this, but that a missile could, based on the fact that a couple of bunker-busters can penetrate 10 or more feet reinforced concrete.
Physics? Mathematics? Missing in that article. |
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Ricky
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 04/15/2004 : 17:48:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
"Hold your arms straight out from your body, and run through a narrow door, and you'll understand what I'm talking about"
Just make sure the door is open.
You just have to run really fast, otherwise you'll miss important factors when trying to replicate the crash. |
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