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Dr. Mabuse
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 Posted - 05/03/2004 : 20:50:09
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Fundies(TM) always claim that "It's in the Bible, therefore it has to be true...".
If most, if not all strata comes from Noah's Flood, what Bible verse explains the presense of the Iridium-rich KT-strata?
It's rather evenly distributed over the whole world, but it's extremly localized as far as the strata goes. Geology and astronomy has a very good founded explanations for it being there, but what does the Bible say? Our knowledge of hydrodynamics and chemistry can't explain how it could be such a thin, yet global layer, if it was caused by a global flood.
Since such abundance of Iridium is only found in asteroids, where else would it come from?
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Woody D
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 Posted - 05/04/2004 : 00:39:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Since such abundance of Iridium is only found in asteroids, where else would it come from?
I don't know anything about that, sorry. But I'm glad you mentioned it. If I might just mention a problem I'm about to have? A good friend I've known for over 15 years and have a lot in common with, execpt religion, had suddenly decided to have a conversation with me about that very subject. I told her, I don't want to loose the friendship, she said she just wants to know more about what I think and we can learn from each other. But it's started already! We talked a short time during which I said science has proven things over the many years that once were thought to be something from the gods. She said........Oh, do you believe that man came from apes. Oy!
She said there is no other life in the universe, I said they don't know yet and are still looking. HELP!
I'll tell her what you've said here, but how do you talk to someone who 'has all the answers' because it's in the bible? I don't think she wants to really hear what I have to say, I think she wants to convince me that the bible is right. Help! |
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filthy
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Posted - 05/04/2004 : 01:56:44 [Permalink]
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In all honesty, I don't recall hearing nor reading any comments from YECs about the Iridium layer. I don't know what they have to say about it but now that you mention it, it would be a bit hard to explain away with a flood, methinks. And it's especally interesting as it represents a fortious, from a mammalian point of view, catastrophy of it's own, and one far more spectacular, not to mention; possible, than a little high water.
Snake, I fear you're about to lose a friend. I have a feeling that you're about to get seriously witnessed at, which, sooner or later, devout Christians will do. The Bible sez they gotta. The thing I would do, if I valued this person's aquaintence as you seem to do, is simply refuse to discuss either science or religion with her. If she is a friend and reasonably intelligent, she'll respect that. Otherwise, be prepared to fend off hours of mythology that we've all heard before, and invitations to church.
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tomk80
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Netherlands
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Posted - 05/04/2004 : 12:42:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Woody D
I don't know anything about that, sorry. But I'm glad you mentioned it. If I might just mention a problem I'm about to have? A good friend I've known for over 15 years and have a lot in common with, execpt religion, had suddenly decided to have a conversation with me about that very subject. I told her, I don't want to loose the friendship, she said she just wants to know more about what I think and we can learn from each other. But it's started already! We talked a short time during which I said science has proven things over the many years that once were thought to be something from the gods. She said........Oh, do you believe that man came from apes. Oy!
She said there is no other life in the universe, I said they don't know yet and are still looking. HELP!
I'll tell her what you've said here, but how do you talk to someone who 'has all the answers' because it's in the bible? I don't think she wants to really hear what I have to say, I think she wants to convince me that the bible is right. Help!
One of my best friends is a christian and a creationist. I must say that we discussed creationism and christianity quite a lot, and yes, I've been invited to church. I also went to church a couple of times. The discussions have given us both a better understanding of each other and at some point we just ended up in a 'draw', were we just couldn't convince the other and most arguments had been sufficiently explored. Every now and then we still have a discussion about it, but always in a fun and relaxed way, having a nice beer in a nice pub, accepting each other positions.
I wouldn't say it's a problem, as long as you both can accept that you probably won't convince the other in the end (and that goes for both of you). Yes, she'll want to convince you in the beginning, but it will pretty soon become clear that she won't be able to. You don't have to loose a friend over this IMO, especially if you have a lot in common except religion.
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chaloobi
SFN Regular
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Posted - 05/05/2004 : 09:56:06 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Woody D
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Since such abundance of Iridium is only found in asteroids, where else would it come from?
I don't know anything about that, sorry. But I'm glad you mentioned it. If I might just mention a problem I'm about to have? A good friend I've known for over 15 years and have a lot in common with, execpt religion, had suddenly decided to have a conversation with me about that very subject. I told her, I don't want to loose the friendship, she said she just wants to know more about what I think and we can learn from each other. But it's started already! We talked a short time during which I said science has proven things over the many years that once were thought to be something from the gods. She said........Oh, do you believe that man came from apes. Oy!
She said there is no other life in the universe, I said they don't know yet and are still looking. HELP!
I'll tell her what you've said here, but how do you talk to someone who 'has all the answers' because it's in the bible? I don't think she wants to really hear what I have to say, I think she wants to convince me that the bible is right. Help!
I've had similar troubles in the past. I once dated a Jehovah's Witness. She wasn't exactly practicing at the time because her mother was caught committing adultry and the whole family was kicked out of the church as punishment. Anyway, I was trying to talk sense to her about science and what not for a few months and I actually thought I was getting through to her. Then one day she brings me a copy of their 'Awake!' magazine and shows me an article about how all this scientific research is faked in order for scientists to get rich with funding for bogus projects and notoriety from publishing in scientific journals. That's when I knew it was a lost cause. |
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chaloobi
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Posted - 05/05/2004 : 10:01:52 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Fundies(TM) always claim that "It's in the Bible, therefore it has to be true...".
If most, if not all strata comes from Noah's Flood, what Bible verse explains the presense of the Iridium-rich KT-strata?
It's rather evenly distributed over the whole world, but it's extremly localized as far as the strata goes. Geology and astronomy has a very good founded explanations for it being there, but what does the Bible say? Our knowledge of hydrodynamics and chemistry can't explain how it could be such a thin, yet global layer, if it was caused by a global flood.
Since such abundance of Iridium is only found in asteroids, where else would it come from?
Dr. Mabuse, the solution to this problem is obvious. Like dinosaur bones, God put this 'layer' in the strata to test our faith. God told us everything was in the bible and as a part of Faith, expects us to accept that. But Satan has filled the world with tests and traps to try and shake our Faith so we will wander away from God. Such a simple trap is a terrible way to lose your soul. Satan has far more difficult ones in store for you.  |
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tomk80
SFN Regular
Netherlands
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Posted - 05/05/2004 : 11:49:55 [Permalink]
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As Terry Pratchett writes in 'Good Omens', the earth is really around 6000 years old. The fossil record is just one of God's little jokes which archeologists haven't figured out yet  |
Tom
`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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furshur
SFN Regular
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Posted - 05/05/2004 : 12:58:08 [Permalink]
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chaloobi wrote
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Dr. Mabuse, the solution to this problem is obvious. Like dinosaur bones, God put this 'layer' in the strata to test our faith. God told us everything was in the bible and as a part of Faith, expects us to accept that. But Satan has filled the world with tests and traps to try and shake our Faith so we will wander away from God. Such a simple trap is a terrible way to lose your soul. Satan has far more difficult ones in store for you.
Actually, Ra authored the bible to test your faith in him. Since you believe in the bible and not Ra you will lose your soul.
PS If the almighty God is trying to trick me, what chance have I got. Besides maybe God made the Bible is the 'trick' and the dinsosaur bones are real. How about all of those competing Christian religions. Each one says the other are going to Hell. Now that is testing your faith. If you have true faith you will pick the right form of Christainity.
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chaloobi
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Posted - 05/05/2004 : 16:38:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by furshur
chaloobi wrote
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Dr. Mabuse, the solution to this problem is obvious. Like dinosaur bones, God put this 'layer' in the strata to test our faith. God told us everything was in the bible and as a part of Faith, expects us to accept that. But Satan has filled the world with tests and traps to try and shake our Faith so we will wander away from God. Such a simple trap is a terrible way to lose your soul. Satan has far more difficult ones in store for you.
Actually, Ra authored the bible to test your faith in him. Since you believe in the bible and not Ra you will lose your soul.
PS If the almighty God is trying to trick me, what chance have I got. Besides maybe God made the Bible is the 'trick' and the dinsosaur bones are real. How about all of those competing Christian religions. Each one says the other are going to Hell. Now that is testing your faith. If you have true faith you will pick the right form of Christainity.
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