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NubiWan
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USA
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 Posted - 09/20/2004 : 11:10:43
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The shame is, that the 'story' now is no longer the issue of Bush being AWOL during his military 'service to our country,' but CBS. May be alone on this, but think CBS did do the 'right' thing by coming clean. Can you imagine FOX News doing the same..? Well, we'll see how badly they, CBS, are punished for 'fessing up. 
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 09/20/2004 : 11:15:12 [Permalink]
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It looks to me like now the question is: who exactly did the fakery? It is my understanding, correct me if I'm wrong, that the papers came from either the Pentagon or the White House.
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/20/2004 : 21:40:07 [Permalink]
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Well, it serves to divert attention away from the campaign issues.
How the media can fuck over yet another election..... it's rather amazing. |
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Ricky
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/21/2004 : 02:24:11 [Permalink]
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What is most disturbing to me is the incredible self importance the media seem to think of themselves. They are going on and on as if this is the most important story of the century. And the talk, "This will be the end of Dan Rather's career." It is so over dramatic as to be silly. The guy who faked the documents isn't a party big wig, he's a disgruntled ex-natl.guard. Rather and CBS screwed up, like that never happened to any other newscaster? If Karl Rove or Tom Daschle or someone like that had done it, that would be news.
Maybe you had to see the 60 Minutes broadcast to get it, I don't know. |
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Renae
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Posted - 09/22/2004 : 17:13:28 [Permalink]
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This story is exasperating.
First, the memos haven't been proven to be fake (as far as I know.) Rather, their authenticity was questioned by a right-wing blogger and the story grew from there.
Second, the memos are only part of the documentation they found for the story. They may have been the bulk of it, but they're still only part of it.
Third, Rather had the memos authenticated by two sources who verified the signature and two who raised questions as to the memos authenticity. This doesn't feel like carelessness or malice to me.
Soooooo....what's the big deal? What am I missing, other than that the Republicans have bullied and spun their way out of another jam?
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Dude
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Posted - 09/22/2004 : 22:36:52 [Permalink]
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| .... and it still doesn't change the fact that W didn't complete his service requirements fully..... |
Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
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NubiWan
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 09/23/2004 : 09:50:14 [Permalink]
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Dude;
"Well, it serves to divert attention away from the campaign issues.
How the media can fuck over yet another election..... it's rather amazing."
Well, yeah, butt it is our attention, and our votes, afterall. We have to at least share the blame, huh?
Just wonder how Dubya keeps from choking, when he thanks the famlies for their son's and/or daughter's, "Service to their country,"!?! Guess he knows that the 'rules' don't apply to him and his kind, just the little people... |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/23/2004 : 15:38:08 [Permalink]
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quote:
Well, yeah, butt it is our attention, and our votes, afterall. We have to at least share the blame, huh?
Not mine. I vote regardless of what I hear pollsters and election predictors say. But, so many people listen to their TV, and think why the hell should they bother voting if the game is already decided before they even get to the polls?
The media has screwed up bigtime in the last 4 years, starting with the 2000 election and premature predictions right on through failing to ask any questions (not to mention the HARD questions) of the current administration's actions.
Now you'd think they would be damn carefull about what they had to say about candidates and elections these days.... |
Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/24/2004 : 22:07:11 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Renae
This story is exasperating.
First, the memos haven't been proven to be fake (as far as I know.) Rather, their authenticity was questioned by a right-wing blogger and the story grew from there.
Second, the memos are only part of the documentation they found for the story. They may have been the bulk of it, but they're still only part of it.
Third, Rather had the memos authenticated by two sources who verified the signature and two who raised questions as to the memos authenticity. This doesn't feel like carelessness or malice to me.
Soooooo....what's the big deal? What am I missing, other than that the Republicans have bullied and spun their way out of another jam?
There's a page of IBM Selectric typeface on one of these boards, so it must be "From Where I Stand" or the Bad Astronomy board if it isn't here. Anyway, there's a guy who had a web page about a typewriter museum. He posted the typeface and several other possibilities next to the document type. It clearly matched Windows and not the typewriter. And I don't think that guy who gave them to CBS was very convincing that he believed they were real.
John Stewart made a good point about the fake documents that claimed Iraq was seeking 'yellow cake' uranium from Niger not getting nearly as much attention, yet it was used to start a war.
Man, if I believed in conspiracies, I'd just about have to say the corporate media was conspiring to keep Bush in office. |
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Maverick
Skeptic Friend
Sweden
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Posted - 09/25/2004 : 02:58:28 [Permalink]
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| Wether fake or not, are these documents even necessary when it comes to showing that Bush was AWOL or not? And either way, why is it more important what the candidates did 20-30 years ago than what they did more recently? Especially the one being president for the last four years...? |
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beskeptigal
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