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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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 Posted - 10/12/2004 : 20:13:05 [Permalink]
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DaveW:
tkster is now giving jimi eight days, compared to Peptide's seven. Someone should ask tkster why jimi needs any extra time, since jimi's first post should contain no response to Peptide. Jimi is, in effect, getting two weeks to write his introductory post, versus Peptide's single week. Don't forget, tkster said it himself:
I noticed that too. I was thinking of sending tkster a PM about it but I figure that would be spitting into the wind. My PM to him about the possibility of his being somwhat less than even handed was not answered and dissapeard from my out box...
On another note, this is great stuff peptide! Maybe, so this will not be an exercise in futility, we could post the debate on our site when it is over. As an article in Evolution/Creation. Or at least your side of the argument since permission to post their side will probably not be granted.... |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/12/2004 : 20:26:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Or at least your side of the argument since permission to post their side will probably not be granted....
Actually, Ricky already went and got permission. I tried to find the thread where he posted it, but it fails me now. Perhaps he can link it later.
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Ricky
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 10/12/2004 : 21:33:53 [Permalink]
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| Oh cool! |
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tomk80
SFN Regular
Netherlands
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Posted - 10/13/2004 : 04:10:50 [Permalink]
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originally by Jimi on skeptictimes
I appreciate your asking and I will gladly allow you to post my comments, but realize that the creats are working together just like the evo's are, so it will be a combo of other people's ideas as well.
Also, although I'm sure you are doing this just so you and your friends can ridicule me over there at SFN, please feel free to let them come over here and talk about it.
Thanks
JD
Funny, as I was banned after I made two posts. The ban has been lifted or something? |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 10/13/2004 : 05:00:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by tomk80
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originally by Jimi on skeptictimes
I appreciate your asking and I will gladly allow you to post my comments, but realize that the creats are working together just like the evo's are, so it will be a combo of other people's ideas as well.
Also, although I'm sure you are doing this just so you and your friends can ridicule me over there at SFN, please feel free to let them come over here and talk about it.
Thanks
JD
Funny, as I was banned after I made two posts. The ban has been lifted or something?
My ban was apparently only for a week. Try to log on again. Or register another username, and PM tkster to ask him what's up. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 10/13/2004 : 07:41:52 [Permalink]
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Peptide wrote:quote:
This site has different url codes than skeptictimes so the references may look a little screwy.
A note of caution is due here, and I'm sorry I missed this last night. But the folks over on SkepticTimes have intimated that "the Internet" is not trustworthy as a reference, so you may not want to rely on links, and instead footnote the whole thing. I'll see if I can help out here. |
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/13/2004 : 07:58:35 [Permalink]
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| Agreed It makes it longer and more imposing looking, especially when they have two references other than the Bible. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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26021 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2004 : 08:01:50 [Permalink]
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Oh, there aren't all that many references in this piece, anyway...
Okay, with a single line of your text for each reference, and a line between 'em:
Also, each integration site is usually between 100,000 to 250,000 DNA letters long (letters being the A, G, T, and C of the genetic code). [1]
That is, some people have ERV's that other people don't. [2]
On the other hand, ERV's have also been suspected of causing multiple sclerosis [3] and susceptibility to cancer.
And the notes:[1] "Retroviral DNA Integration: ASLV, HIV, and MLV Show Distinct Target Site Preferences," Mitchell RS et al., PLoS Biol. 2004 August; 2 (8): e234 ([url=http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=15314653]full text[/url])
[2] "Insertional polymorphisms of full-length endogenous retroviruses in humans," Turner G et al, Curr Biol. 2001 Oct 2;11(19):1531-5 ([url=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11591322]abstract[/url])
[3] "Endogenous retroviruses and MS: using ERVs as disease markers," Clausen J, Int MS J. 2003 Apr;10(1):22-8 ([url=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12906767]abstract[/url]) Hope that will help. And I hope it's in time. |
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Peptide
Skeptic Friend
USA
69 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2004 : 08:41:15 [Permalink]
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Thanks a lot Dave W. I will definitely change the format now, since you did all the work.
Also, this format does a better job of referencing the actual offline journal so they can't complain about the inaccuracy of online sources. Of course, that argument would be silly since the online content is peer reviewed, but nonetheless. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 10/13/2004 : 09:06:32 [Permalink]
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You're quite welcome, Peptide, but there wasn't a whole lot of work to do, really. Just three references in this piece. If you'd like, I'll gladly do the other two sections as well - you'll just have to tell me which order they'll go in, so I can number the references correctly.
And the whole "can't trust the Internet" thing is self-defeating for the SkepticTimes crew, since it invalidates their own web site. But, given that their site is often unreferenced and appears made up on the spot, that may be very appropriate. They're just projecting what they know to be true on their site to every other web site. I mean, they have and will ridicule references to the Talk.Origins archive, despite the fact that much of the content there is created by people who are actually experts in their fields. |
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Peptide
Skeptic Friend
USA
69 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2004 : 09:16:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
You're quite welcome, Peptide, but there wasn't a whole lot of work to do, really.
Hehe, I hate doing footnotes and bibliographies and other tedious paperwork so it actually was a lot of help. I would rather be designing experiments and writing than doing refs, even with reference manager. Thanks again. |
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ktesibios
SFN Regular
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2004 : 12:02:55 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Siberia
... if they read it at all. Which I doubt.
But either case, that's a wonderful post for us resident skeptics to learn a couple new things :)
I'm a bit late, but hear hear!
Thank you, Peptide. This is interesting enough to outweigh the pain of having my face rubbed in my own ignorance again.  |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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26021 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2004 : 12:54:56 [Permalink]
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I, too, salute Peptide for the interesting topics, but must announce that it's all been for naught, otherwise. The debate with Peptide is off. According to tkster:Due to extreme immaturity that atheists have shown, all of them have been banned... That being said, the offer to the evolutionist side will go to another evolutionist from another forum who has proven himself/herself to be one who can obey rules. Not really a surprise, I suppose. |
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/13/2004 : 13:13:06 [Permalink]
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| Rules like the ten commandments no doubt. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
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