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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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 Posted - 11/10/2004 : 07:10:42 [Permalink]
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Wendy:
Okay, say the man let the woman drive his car. Then they both pay.
Ahhhh, yes, the old Beatles argument. “Beep beep em beep beep yeah…”
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Why not question something for a change?
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
2322 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2004 : 07:16:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by @tomic
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You talk like it's the same as popping a zit.
I have known women that have told me flat out that they deliberately became pregnant by tricking a man.
Indeed, there are women that do it. Thousands of them. The question is, who gets to decide if he was tricked or not? Put the blame on somebody else won't do. How to prove that? Certainly she won't confess.
I know of the inverse, as well. The man popped the condom so his wife would get pregnant and give birth about the same time as his affair, so she would not leave him when she discovered he had a son out of the marriage. What should she do? She decided to have the baby, since she's catholic and has the abortion dilemma heavy on her.
Like Wendy said, it's not about the parents' rights. It's about the child's rights. |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
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"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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Rubicon95
Skeptic Friend
USA
220 Posts |
Posted - 11/16/2004 : 11:02:39 [Permalink]
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Should he have a say in whether or not a child will be born or aborted? No. That is the risk you take. You are the father. That is your child. You share the consequences and responsibilities.
The only way to prevent that situation is abstinence. No other contraception is 100% fool proof.
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 11/18/2004 : 13:59:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Rubicon95
Should he have a say in whether or not a child will be born or aborted? No. That is the risk you take. You are the father. That is your child. You share the consequences and responsibilities.
The only way to prevent that situation is abstinence. No other contraception is 100% fool proof.
Make that 99.99999999......% according to the New Testament.
Actually, hysterectomies, oopherectomies, and vasectomies & tubal ligations when properly done are pretty fool proof. |
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Rubicon95
Skeptic Friend
USA
220 Posts |
Posted - 11/18/2004 : 15:22:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
Make that 99.99999999......% according to the New Testament.
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After a real crappy day at work, This made me laugh so hard!!!!!!!!!
Thanks!
Personally, I really wouldn't want for a woman to do a tubal ligation, hysterectomy (mom had one)frightens the living @#$% out of me.
Vasectomy yep if done right...just don't play any sports the next day. ow..
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 11/18/2004 : 17:00:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Rubicon95
The only way to prevent that situation is abstinence. No other contraception is 100% fool proof.
A vasectomy is close, although I suppose there have been rare cases where the operation was somehow botched and a few squiggling wigglies managed to squirm their way through the bent piping.
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 11/18/2004 : 23:27:09 [Permalink]
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A vasectomy is close, although I suppose there have been rare cases where the operation was somehow botched and a few squiggling wigglies managed to squirm their way through the bent piping.
Well, there are three 100% effective ways to not get/get somebody pregnant.
1. Don't have sex, ever.
2. Have the boys totally removed (vasectomy is almost foolproof, but having the organ responsible for gamete production removed entirely is the only 100% way)
3. Have the ovaries and/or uterus totally removed. (same explanation as #2, ligation of falopian tubes is not always 100%)
So.... none of the 100% methods are really an option for most people.... |
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
2322 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2004 : 06:35:37 [Permalink]
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| Mom had tubal ligation when I was born (caesarian). That added to abstinence made her pretty much fool-proof But there's always the possibility of parthogenesis -coughvirginbirthcough- |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
4826 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2004 : 07:16:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Siberia
Mom had tubal ligation when I was born (caesarian). That added to abstinence made her pretty much fool-proof But there's always the possibility of parthogenesis -coughvirginbirthcough-
I always why Joseph bought that line. Yeah.... Virgin birth.... Child of God.... Uh huh...... Who'd ya really sleep with, Mary? |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 11/19/2004 : 18:12:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
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Originally posted by Siberia
Mom had tubal ligation when I was born (caesarian). That added to abstinence made her pretty much fool-proof But there's always the possibility of parthogenesis -coughvirginbirthcough-
I always why Joseph bought that line. Yeah.... Virgin birth.... Child of God.... Uh huh...... Who'd ya really sleep with, Mary?
I can imagine Joseph's inner dialogue. "Shit, I can't let anyone know that someone else jumped her. I'd better go along with this one, and agree to the virgin conception. Hell, I can even say I got a visit from angels too..." |
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Rubicon95
Skeptic Friend
USA
220 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2004 : 08:55:14 [Permalink]
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According to the NT, Joseph was considered a righteous man by the Jewish Faith. Joseph could have exposed Mary which was his right. His promised bride (It was an arranged marriaged) was pregnant. The agreement was void. He wouldn't have been disgraced at all. Mary and her family would have been. Instead, he was going to divorce Mary in private to save her from being stoned. Then was convinced to stand by her and accept the baby as his own. Which to me says alot about the man.
Even though the child wasn't his reponsibility, he chose to accept the child as his own. Counter that with today's attitudes. You have "men" who are the "fathers" of kids but don't want the responsibility.
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
2322 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2004 : 12:17:40 [Permalink]
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| Well, that's true. He acted pretty much unlike my father, who dumped the kid he knew was his baby... but that's another matter entirely. |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
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"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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