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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 11/04/2004 :  06:31:01  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/11/02/brain.dish/index.html

Hows that for AI... scary potential.

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tomk80
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Netherlands
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Posted - 11/04/2004 :  06:35:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit tomk80's Homepage Send tomk80 a Private Message
cool, definitely very cool. I'm gonna buy me some rats and some electrodes!

Tom

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astropin
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USA
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Posted - 11/04/2004 :  10:39:11   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send astropin a Private Message
Go Science Go!

I would rather face a cold reality than delude myself with comforting fantasies.

You are free to believe what you want to believe and I am free to ridicule you for it.

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Dr. Mabuse
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Sweden
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Posted - 11/04/2004 :  10:51:49   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
Perhaps I'd just order that allergenic-free cat instead.

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Ricky
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Posted - 11/04/2004 :  12:09:30   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
How exactly do you go about hooking up a neural network to a flight simulator?

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furshur
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Posted - 11/04/2004 :  12:28:26   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send furshur a Private Message
I am not very knowledgable on this, so I will ask a dumb question: How do you keep the neurons 'alive'?

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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 11/04/2004 :  13:08:24   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message
good question...that I cant answer, They can grow skin in a petrie dish so I guess its not that hard.

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"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
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Plyss
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Netherlands
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Posted - 11/04/2004 :  15:14:22   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Plyss a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by furshur

I am not very knowledgable on this, so I will ask a dumb question: How do you keep the neurons 'alive'?



If it's anything like culturing other cells on petri dishes it's largely a matter of adding a solution of proper metabolites to it every once in a while. Aging of the cells and accumulation of toxins will likely be a problem soon though.

Does anyone know if this research is going to be published in a peer-reviewed journal soon, because it's absolutely fascinating.

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Plyss
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Netherlands
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Posted - 11/04/2004 :  15:19:45   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Plyss a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Plyss

quote:
Originally posted by furshur

I am not very knowledgable on this, so I will ask a dumb question: How do you keep the neurons 'alive'?



If it's anything like culturing other cells on petri dishes it's largely a matter of adding a solution of proper metabolites to it every once in a while. Aging of the cells and accumulation of toxins will likely be a problem soon though.




Hmm, apparently i was wrong:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11564520

quote:

We surmounted survival problems by using culture dish lids that form a gas-tight seal, and incorporate a transparent hydrophobic membrane (fluorinated ethylene-propylene) that is selectively permeable to oxygen (O(2)) and carbon dioxide (CO(2)), and relatively impermeable to water vapor. This prevents contamination and greatly reduces evaporation, allowing the use of a non-humidified incubator. We have employed this technique to grow dissociated cortical cultures from rat embryos on multi-electrode arrays. After more than a year in culture, the neurons still exhibit robust spontaneous electrical activity.


great stuff, i wish i had the time to delve into it more deeply.

Miss Tick sniffed. 'You could say this piece of advice is pricesless', she said. 'Are you listening?'
'Yes' said Tiffany.
'Good now...If you trust in yourself.."
'Yes..?'
'..and believe in your dreams...'
'yes?'
'...and follow your star..' Miss Tick went on.
'Yes?'
'You'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy. Goodbye.'
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 11/05/2004 :  06:02:47   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message
I think they just used the brain as an intermediary for the control signals, It didnt fly itself.

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"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
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Siberia
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Brazil
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Posted - 11/05/2004 :  07:30:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
That is so bloody cool.
And people ask me why I love science.

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