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Sem Student
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 Posted - 11/19/2004 : 20:29:18
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I am a student working on a masters degree. For one of my classes I have to enter into a dialogue with a person who does not confess to be a Christian to discuss why they do not believe. Would any of you be interested? I know this makes you into a project  , but could you help me out...Please? Don't make me beg! Any help would be appreciated.
Sem Student
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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 Posted - 11/19/2004 : 21:41:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Sem Student
I am a student working on a masters degree. For one of my classes I have to enter into a dialogue with a person who does not confess to be a Christian to discuss why they do not believe. Would any of you be interested? I know this makes you into a project , but could you help me out...Please? Don't make me beg! Any help would be appreciated.
Sem Student
Hi, Sem Student. I'm sure you'll find lots of potential subjects. I have some questions: what class is this? What's the function of the dialogue? Is the interviewed subject to remain anonymous? Does she or he get to see the "final" project as it is to be turned in? How long is the interview to be? What sort of person are you looking for? Need she or he be American? Of a certian age? Background? Education?
Depending on the type of thing you need, I wouldn't mind, but I'm sure others wouldn't either.
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 11/20/2004 : 00:03:01 [Permalink]
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I might be persuaded to participate as well, depending of course how the discussion will take place (by correspondence, etc), how long the interview will last, and whether or not I can drink during it.
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Siberia
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Posted - 11/20/2004 : 07:24:01 [Permalink]
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| I'd file up as well. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 11/20/2004 : 08:57:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
. . . and whether or not I can drink during it.
I thought this was a given! I thought giving an interview while sober was some sort of violation of international law, but perhaps I'm mistaken... |
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Sem Student
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Posted - 11/20/2004 : 19:29:56 [Permalink]
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Thanks for all the response! To answer your questions...There are really no requirements for the subject of my interview, except one, that he or she be a non-confessing Christian. Drunk or sober? No matter. Who knows maybe as we dialogue I may be partaking in a nice glass of merlot myself? Anyway, the dialogue has to be approximately 3,000 words more or less. This is for an apologetics class that I am taking, I'm in the midst of a master's of divinity program. I'd be happy to have the discussion here, even with multiple people, or via email. I'd also be more than willing to give all of you a copy of the final project which will basically be a manuscript of the discussion. Please let me know if you are willing to help out. You can either email me @ dan.rogers@saintpatrickpc.org (please put in the subject "discussion with semstuden" or something like that so I know its not a virus of some sort) or post up here. Maybe you could just give me an idea of your basic 3 reason that you don't believe. Thanks again for all of your responses and help!
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/20/2004 : 23:57:42 [Permalink]
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| I would participate in such an interview, as long at the entire final product is available to read. |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 11/21/2004 : 05:10:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
I would participate in such an interview, as long at the entire final product is available to read.
So, you are "a non-confessing Christian"? I figured you for an Atheist..  |
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 11/21/2004 : 11:40:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
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Originally posted by Dude
I would participate in such an interview, as long at the entire final product is available to read.
So, you are "a non-confessing Christian"? I figured you for an Atheist..
Yeah, that threw me at first too. Non-confessing sounds like "non-practicing," not non-believing. But in his first post he clearly asked for people who aren't believers. |
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Dude
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Posted - 11/21/2004 : 12:12:35 [Permalink]
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I thought what he ment was somebody who wasn't christian, and didn't profess belief in christianity.
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For one of my classes I have to enter into a dialogue with a person who does not confess to be a Christian
Then, I see now, the requirement changed to this:
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There are really no requirements for the subject of my interview, except one, that he or she be a non-confessing Christian
Sem Student, I have to now admit some confusion as to what you are actually looking for here. You want to talk to an atheist or a "non-confessing christian"?
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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ktesibios
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Posted - 11/21/2004 : 13:27:17 [Permalink]
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The feeling I get from both Semstudent's use of language ("non-confessing" as opposed to "non-professing", which I would have found more natural) and his desire to inquire why his interlocutor does not believe in a particular mythology is that he is laboring under the assumption that "belief" is the default position, the null hypothesis as it were, and that not subscribing to that belief is something that requires justification.
Questions of faith are just not amenable to the gathering and rational evaluation of evidence, snd for that reason I neither expect beleivers to justify their belief nor accept anyone else's expectation that I should justify my nonbelief.
It's also for that reason that I consider buying into any religious belief system at all to be as logical and necessary as buying my cats a firetruck. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 11/21/2004 : 22:41:34 [Permalink]
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But your cats would look so coooooooool in a firetruck...
Off topic, but holy crap! Google is non-responsive! This has got to signal the end of the Internet! Run for your virtual lives!
Yahoo! gave me this (and only that) on a search for "non-confessing Christian" (in quotes), which includes:I honestly believe that a hindu or a Moslem or an athiest is closer to the Kingdom than a so-called "Christian" if their lives are lived with more love, more compassion, more concern for their fellow humans than a "Christian" who is of the type that is exrtremely anal about their orthodoxy and yet it has no seeming effect on their level of concern for the people around them. Because the Christian says "I believe in Jesus as Saviour" does not put them in higher favor with God than that of a non-confessing Christian who neverthless lives from something tht has happened in their heart and life out of which they live a life committed to love for one's neighbor, or advocating for the removal of some injustice (also including the love part). So according to that author, a "non-confessing Christian" is anyone who acts in a Christian manner, without claiming to be a Christian. But the phrase isn't used anywhere else on the Web according to Yahoo!, which is just strange. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 11/21/2004 : 23:05:18 [Permalink]
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Still off-topic, but Google is working again. Whew!
And it shows that the above-quoted page is the only mention of the exact phrase, "non-confessing Christian," anywhere on the Web. |
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@tomic
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Posted - 11/21/2004 : 23:16:13 [Permalink]
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Excuse me Dave but look again. There are two, count 'em two places on the web were you find that phrase if you use the new MSN Search beta. This very topic is that second instance which will make us something of an expert source for future knowledge surfers.
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 11/22/2004 : 07:53:35 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Sem Student
I am a student working on a masters degree. For one of my classes I have to enter into a dialogue with a person who does not confess to be a Christian to discuss why they do not believe. Would any of you be interested? I know this makes you into a project , but could you help me out...Please? Don't make me beg! Any help would be appreciated.
Sem Student
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Dude
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Posted - 11/22/2004 : 21:20:43 [Permalink]
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Did Sem Student pull a drive by? Or does he/she have one of you engaged in a private conversation?
Just curious....
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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