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verlch
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Posted - 12/04/2004 :  19:26:10   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message


So verlch, when did you convert to hinduism?
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Never, you know my beliefs. I believe in the living God of Abraham.

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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R.Wreck
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USA
1191 Posts

Posted - 12/05/2004 :  06:32:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send R.Wreck a Private Message
quote:
So verlch, when did you convert to hinduism?



Never, you know my beliefs. I believe in the living God of Abraham.


quote:
The bible says exactly what happened 6000 years is the history of the world.


Let me see if I understand this.

You believe in a 6000 year old world.

You don't believe in evolution.

To support your belief that evolution is false (a belief which you have repeatedly claimed upholds your 6000 year old earth belief), you cite a book which claims that humans haven't evolved for the last 4.32 million years, blowing your 6000 year belief completely out of the water.

Its things like this that call into question your ability to process information.




Here is another wacky fundy you'll probably like, talking about UFOs, and somehow making an evolution link:

quote:
One of the MOST IMPORTANT cultural influences of UFO's is to undermine faith in the bible......UFO phenomena SUPPORTS the myth of evolution and the idea that man can finally perfect himself apart from God.


Because UFOs are really demons:

quote:
This all indicates that "close encounters" with supposed ETs are actually encounters with demons (Isa 8:19-22; John 3:19-21; 8:44; 10:1,10).


Please, verlch, let us know what you think about that.

The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
T. H. Huxley

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Ricky
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Posted - 12/06/2004 :  00:32:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
I found something that looks like it belongs in Verlch's "reality":

http://www.nearingzero.net/work/screenres/work059.jpg

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
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verlch
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781 Posts

Posted - 12/07/2004 :  23:34:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by R.Wreck

quote:
So verlch, when did you convert to hinduism?



Never, you know my beliefs. I believe in the living God of Abraham.


quote:
The bible says exactly what happened 6000 years is the history of the world.


Let me see if I understand this.

You believe in a 6000 year old world.

You don't believe in evolution.

To support your belief that evolution is false (a belief which you have repeatedly claimed upholds your 6000 year old earth belief), you cite a book which claims that humans haven't evolved for the last 4.32 million years, blowing your 6000 year belief completely out of the water.

Its things like this that call into question your ability to process information.




Here is another wacky fundy you'll probably like, talking about UFOs, and somehow making an evolution link:

quote:
One of the MOST IMPORTANT cultural influences of UFO's is to undermine faith in the bible......UFO phenomena SUPPORTS the myth of evolution and the idea that man can finally perfect himself apart from God.


Because UFOs are really demons:

quote:
This all indicates that "close encounters" with supposed ETs are actually encounters with demons (Isa 8:19-22; John 3:19-21; 8:44; 10:1,10).


Please, verlch, let us know what you think about that.




Evolution is a vast Idea. Covering billions of years, therefore history has to fit in that vast time period. Evidence contradicting popular 'theory' gets thrown out and the theory lives. They have ideas that humans didn't evolve for 4.5 million years which shoots your theory of 50,000 years or what ever in the foot. That fossil they found was 3 million years old by their calculations because of the strata it was found in I'm sure. If the earth was 5 billion years old you should have ohhh fossils everywhere! In 500,000,000 years and 300,000,000 people or 'Great Apes' there should be 150,000,000,000,000,000
potential fossils(that's just humans). Sorry men we just don't find it! We find a beat up skull and God knows what ever else. My figurs there should be about 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 fossils according to ya'alls time frames! That is animals of all shapes and sizes. We just don't see it, then there should be plenty of missing links with that many chances for fossilizaion. With fish walking and turning into a human, with necks, fingers, toes, legs, ankles, wrists, thumbs, toungues, teeth, and most important of all a human brain that doesn't smell like a fish. One x freind from Holland said we come from evolution is because a womans vagina smells like fish and the ocean. Wow that's all the proof you need? At the bottom of it was his belief in Atheism, so to explain his existance he has to choose evolution. Its a puzzle that fits into Atheism. Death and decay is all around us. The bible says death is because of sin and disobedience to the 'Almighty'. Evolution has no explination for death. Why would something evolve from bacteria, go through all these mindless accidents and the have to 'die' and not be able to explain it.

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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furshur
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USA
1536 Posts

Posted - 12/08/2004 :  06:36:08   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send furshur a Private Message
Your grasp of the concept of evolution never ceases to amaze me. Are you afraid to read any actual information about evolution. If you had even the smallest fragment of understanding about evolution you might actually be able to argue your points. But writing the absurd bull shit above makes you look like an idiot.



If I knew then what I know now then I would know more now than I know.
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist

USA
4954 Posts

Posted - 12/08/2004 :  07:30:11   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Cuneiformist a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by verlch
One x freind from Holland said we come from evolution is because a womans vagina smells like fish and the ocean. Wow that's all the proof you need?


First-- I don't know if you made this up or not, but it's actually kind of funny.

Second-- that you (rightly) mock someone for buying into evolution using that as their rationale, but fail to see your own equally stupid leaps of logic in things ranging from creatioinism to Masonic conspiracies is even funnier.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie

USA
26014 Posts

Posted - 12/08/2004 :  07:33:22   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
Indeed. One of verlch's biggest problems is, of course, his inappropriate use of the word 'should'. He thinks that just about everything which has lived and died 'should' leave a fossil behind. But that's just not true. It's a lie verlch clings to in order to keep his delusions alive.

Thus, verlch isn't arguing against paleontology or evolution, but instead against bizarre caricatures of them which no competent scientist believes to be true. And he won't bother to learn the correct facts or theories, because to do so would be to find that his position is simply and inarguably wrong.

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Why not question something for a change?
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend

Sweden
9680 Posts

Posted - 12/08/2004 :  19:19:22   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.

It's a lie verlch clings to in order to keep his delusions alive.
There are so many lies Verlch clings to in order to maintain his delusions, I've lost count long ago.

quote:
Thus, verlch isn't arguing against paleontology or evolution, but instead against bizarre caricatures of them which no competent scientist believes to be true. And he won't bother to learn the correct facts or theories, because to do so would be to find that his position is simply and inarguably wrong.

I couldn't agree more.

Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
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moakley
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USA
1888 Posts

Posted - 12/08/2004 :  20:15:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send moakley a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by verlch

Never, you know my beliefs. I believe in the living God of Abraham.

And I bet you have an invisible friend named Jesus, too.

Life is good

Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned. -Anonymous
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verlch
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781 Posts

Posted - 12/08/2004 :  23:58:22   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Cuneiformist

quote:
Originally posted by verlch
One x freind from Holland said we come from evolution is because a womans vagina smells like fish and the ocean. Wow that's all the proof you need?


First-- I don't know if you made this up or not, but it's actually kind of funny.

Second-- that you (rightly) mock someone for buying into evolution using that as their rationale, but fail to see your own equally stupid leaps of logic in things ranging from creatioinism to Masonic conspiracies is even funnier.



If you can't see the occult in our government than you are blind. But still there are skeptics in a skeptic site, so it remains in the conspiracy theory section.

I'm not mocking him. He would still be my buddy weather or not we believe in evolution, or the same things. He stole a 1300 dollar watch and lied to my face. So he can kick rocks!


What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
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Posted - 12/08/2004 :  23:59:58   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by moakley

quote:
Originally posted by verlch

Never, you know my beliefs. I believe in the living God of Abraham.

And I bet you have an invisible friend named Jesus, too.




Sure, trust me He is living as I am living at the moment...

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Dave W.
Info Junkie

USA
26014 Posts

Posted - 12/09/2004 :  21:14:11   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
verlch wrote:
quote:
If you can't see the occult in our government than you are blind.
Oh, I can! I can!
  • "...one nation under God..."
  • "...are endowed by our creator with certain..."
  • "...so help me God."
  • Zillions of crosses all over DC
  • The Star of Bethlehem in the streets off the White House
  • A triangle (representing the Trinity) between Capitol Hill, the White House, and the Jefferson Memorial
  • 512 churches in DC
  • The National Cathedral
  • Congressional chaplains
Etcetera.
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...so it remains in the conspiracy theory section.
Then why are you discussing it in the Creation/Evolution folder?

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Ricky
SFN Die Hard

USA
4907 Posts

Posted - 12/09/2004 :  22:20:37   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
quote:
512 churches in DC


If this is an exact number, then there is some kind of underground computer occult, as that is exactly the number of kilobytes in 1/2 of a megabyte.

What are the chances?

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
Edited by - Ricky on 12/09/2004 22:21:44
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Dave W.
Info Junkie

USA
26014 Posts

Posted - 12/10/2004 :  09:21:14   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
Ricky wrote:
quote:
If this is an exact number, then there is some kind of underground computer occult, as that is exactly the number of kilobytes in 1/2 of a megabyte.
I already went through this, Ricky: 512 is 29. Adding nine twos together gives us 18, and adding those digits together gives us nine, or the square of the Christian Trinity.

By the way, here's an example of my father's sense of humor: he called me on my 32nd birthday, and reminded me that I was turning 25 years old in the same year that he was turning 26 years old.

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