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smokedoctor
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Posted - 12/11/2004 :  22:44:27  Show Profile  Visit smokedoctor's Homepage Send smokedoctor a Private Message
At http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/showquestion.asp?faq=4&fldAuto=60 is an article "Evolution, Scientology Style," by Dawn Huxley posted 4/20/2002. Huxley nicely refutes L. Ron Hubbard's made-up time periods and notions.

Could those notions have been hallucinations? or symptoms of time disorientation? or acalculia? or delirium tremens (akin to seeing pink elephants nobody else sees!)? or other mental disorders?

Hubbard was a smoker. Smokers notoriously suffer disproportionately from mental disorders, see details at http://medicolegal.tripod.com/preventmentaldisorder.htm and http://medicolegal.tripod.com/preventbraindamage.htm

Dude
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Posted - 12/11/2004 :  23:45:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
Hubbard was a sci-fi writer (and a bad one at that, the guy was a hack).

It's always amused me that people accept anything he wrote as factual. And the whole scientology thing... scary in an easy to make fun of way. They are simply nuts.


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Siberia
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Posted - 12/12/2004 :  06:39:58   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dude

Hubbard was a sci-fi writer (and a bad one at that, the guy was a hack).

It's always amused me that people accept anything he wrote as factual. And the whole scientology thing... scary in an easy to make fun of way. They are simply nuts.



Hey, I liked Battlefield: Earth. Not as good as a Clarke, but good entertainment if you're bored and not willing to overthink stuff.

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filthy
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Posted - 12/12/2004 :  07:55:18   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
Scientology, it's worse than you think. Apparently, a lot worse!

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According to sworn testimonies from seemingly countless upper-level management Scientologists who have escaped the business, the "church" commits felonies as a matter of policy. So much so that several countries have designated Scientology a threat to their national security and monitor the "church" like they do any other crime syndicate. You may view many such testimonies at ww.xenu.net



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Kil
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Posted - 12/12/2004 :  12:06:01   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message
quote:
smokedoctor:
At http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/showquestion.asp?faq=4&fldAuto=60 is an article "Evolution, Scientology Style," by Dawn Huxley posted 4/20/2002. Huxley nicely refutes L. Ron Hubbard's made-up time periods and notions.

Could those notions have been hallucinations? or symptoms of time disorientation? or acalculia? or delirium tremens (akin to seeing pink elephants nobody else sees!)? or other mental disorders?


As Dude pointed out, Hubbard was a science fiction writer. I think it's obvious that he just made that crap up. He made the whole of scientology up as a way to get rich. What blows my mind is there are so many followers of Scientology with teachings based on such absolute hogwash that it boggles the mind. His creation story should be a clue to anyone with even a wit of commen sense and a fifth grade education in science.

A good place to learn about Scientology is Operation Clambake

Enjoy…


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Dude
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Posted - 12/12/2004 :  22:19:58   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
Battlefield : Earth is a huge piece of dung.

The movie (thank you Travolta) was also a huge boulder of excrement.


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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 12/13/2004 :  05:30:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message
Battlefeild earth is a copy of a Philip K Dick short 'The surface raid' which is a copy of the time machine, IMO. Man Im seein connections all over the place, maybe I can find a secret code imbeded in Dianetics.

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Siberia
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Posted - 12/13/2004 :  06:18:51   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
Well, I wouldn't trust ANYTHING including Travolta...

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Dude
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Posted - 12/13/2004 :  10:43:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
Trust is not the issue...

Travolta is a good actor (see Pulp Fiction, Swordfish, and several other of his recent movies, not bad stuff at all). Just that Battlefield Earth was a piece of crap, and he couldn't save it.


Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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Siberia
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Posted - 12/13/2004 :  12:39:45   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dude

Trust is not the issue...

Travolta is a good actor (see Pulp Fiction, Swordfish, and several other of his recent movies, not bad stuff at all). Just that Battlefield Earth was a piece of crap, and he couldn't save it.




I didn't like Pulp Fiction I can't remember Swordfish, though.

Anyway... [back to topic] I don't know if Hubbard was hallucinating or not, but he definatly wasn't on his meds. Charlatan at the best.

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- The Kovenant, Via Negativa

"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
-- unknown
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filthy
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Posted - 12/13/2004 :  12:59:20   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Kil

quote:
smokedoctor:
At http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/showquestion.asp?faq=4&fldAuto=60 is an article "Evolution, Scientology Style," by Dawn Huxley posted 4/20/2002. Huxley nicely refutes L. Ron Hubbard's made-up time periods and notions.

Could those notions have been hallucinations? or symptoms of time disorientation? or acalculia? or delirium tremens (akin to seeing pink elephants nobody else sees!)? or other mental disorders?


As Dude pointed out, Hubbard was a science fiction writer. I think it's obvious that he just made that crap up. He made the whole of scientology up as a way to get rich. What blows my mind is there are so many followers of Scientology with teachings based on such absolute hogwash that it boggles the mind. His creation story should be a clue to anyone with even a wit of commen sense and a fifth grade education in science.

A good place to learn about Scientology is Operation Clambake

Enjoy…



Read a goodish part of O. Clambake. It has a lot of stuff on Hubbard and Scienctology that I didn't know. Hubbard's biography was particulary interesting. The man ended up dying in '86, stark, raving mad. And he wasn't all that stable throughout most of his life.

Busted for petty theft, a bigamist, and a highly paranoid, habitual liar who wrote incessently to the FBI. And yet, he seems to have come from a very close and happy family. I cannot help but feel a little pity for him as well as Scienctology's victims. Perhaps, in a way, he was one of those victims, himself.

I recommend the site.


"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 12/13/2004 :  13:27:52   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message
Tell me about it, my mom is very suggestable and she moved to St Pete Florida recently. I tell her not to go to Clearwater ever! (Ground Zero for Scientology, they own the place.) What does she do? Gets a damn job in Clearwater. I warned her repeatedly and forcefully so hopefully they wont sink their ignoramus claws into her.

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
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