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Dude
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Posted - 05/19/2005 :  19:54:49  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7904332/

And a link to the actual Science article.

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/1112286


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woolytoad
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Posted - 05/20/2005 :  04:32:19   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send woolytoad a Private Message
Can you post the Science article or provide a user name and password to read it?
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Dude
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Posted - 05/20/2005 :  12:14:45   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
Can't post the entire article for copyright reasons, and I'm not posting my Science acct info on the web. It is a paid subscription, and I'd kinda like to maintain control of my own account.

The article briefly describes the creation of several human embryonic stem cell lines using somatic cell nuclear transfer into donated oocytes.

(in layman's terms)
They took the nucleus of a skin cell and transplanted it into the nucleus of an unfertilized egg, and grew it into an embryo to establish a line of stem cells in culture.

The idea being that any tissue grown from these cells would not be rejected by the donor of the skin cell, because it would essentially be cloned tissue.


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Robb
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Posted - 05/31/2005 :  15:08:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Robb a Private Message
Has anybody heard of this research?

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/03/21/australia.stemcell/

I have always been told that adult stem cells cannot be used as effectively as embryonic stems cells. I admittedly do not know enough to know if this could be a replacement for embryonic stem cells. Shouldn't this be in the discussion more in the US about stem cell research?

Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. - George Washington
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Dude
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Posted - 05/31/2005 :  16:27:54   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
quote:
I have always been told that adult stem cells cannot be used as effectively as embryonic stems cells.


Basically true. We know that the embryonic stem cells eventually become every type of tissue.

The issue with adult stem cells is that they are typically tissue specific. Some have been shown to differentiate into more than one type of tissue. The benefit of using adult stem cells is obviously the rejection factor, but the Korean team has probably overcome that (with regard to hESCs) with the success of their somatic cell nuclear transfer technique.

It is important research, and the news story is encouraging. I think that it is a pretty bold statement to say that they may have eliminated the need for hESC research however.

The acute politicization of this topic doesn't contribute to open discourse about it.

I did notice a that the news article fails to reference the name of the journal in which this study has been published, which is not a good sign. (meaning that it may not have been published in a journal)


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-- Thomas Jefferson

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Hope, n.
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Dude
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Posted - 06/01/2005 :  17:52:48   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8061078/

This guy rocks!


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-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

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filthy
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Posted - 06/14/2005 :  04:49:22   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
Heh, here's the real reason that there will be little if any funding for stem cell research:
quote:
Subject: Why are Republicans against federal money for stem cell research?

They're afraid the Democrats will use it to grow a spine. (ba-da-boom)

Neil the comedian


Saw it on Bartcop.


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