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Kil
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Valiant Dancer
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 Posted - 06/27/2005 : 08:58:56 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
This just in:
Supreme Court rules on government Ten Commandments displays.
I think it strikes a balance but I haven't been able to read the ruling yet. Based on the full text of the ruling will determine if I think it went far enough. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/27/2005 : 09:21:18 [Permalink]
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And almost immediately, CNN was showing some schmuck making claims about this latest "assault" by those with "hostility towards Christianity." But of course, this isn't hostility towards Christians, it's hostility towards those who would impose Christianity upon others. The "persecuted Christian" whine gets old really fast when it is they who drew "first blood" by showing open and aggressive hostility towards those with whom they do not agree.
But, back on topic, there are still a couple of other Ten-Commandments lawsuits waiting for SCOTUS review. Those, coupled with this one, will show how far the Court is going to go with the First Amendment. Any conclusions of the Court's intent based solely on this one case will necessarily be less accurate than waiting for the others. |
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tw101356
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Posted - 06/27/2005 : 09:24:34 [Permalink]
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I read too many analyses of this to recall which said it, but one remarked that the ruling would not prohibit display of the 10 commandments in a context such as a mural depicting various law and lawgivers, including the Ten Cs.
So maybe we'll see huge art donations to cover the expense of installing massive tablets in courthouse rotundas that include the Laws of Hammurabi and various others, all in their original languages, except the 10 Cs will be in English. Just because nobody can read cuneiform...
...but maybe Cuneiformist will stop by on vacation and point out that the text is not actually Babylonian, but merely a transcription of "Fanny Hill" into cuneiform.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/27/2005 : 10:42:17 [Permalink]
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I don't think that this ruling will affect the stone-cutting industry much, one way or another. However, I am a trifle dismayed by the court's split. I was hoping for a much firmer majority.
And indeed, the Kool-Aid addicts are already whining about 'Christian persecution.' As if! More and more, it looks to me as t'other way 'round, and they won't give up their dreams of theocratcy this easily.
In the classic words of somedamnbody: "Dis ain't over....," especally if Bush gets the nominees he wants on the court.
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trishran
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Posted - 06/27/2005 : 14:38:43 [Permalink]
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http://www.tvsquad.com/2005/06/23/the-daily-show-june-22-2005/
Here's a summary of a brillian monologue John Stewart did last week regarding persecution of Christians in the U.S. Sample: "Perhaps someday we will have a christian president...or 43 consecutively."
I find it interesting that Christians have been using the pose of being the underdog for centuries, and no matter how big and powerful they are as a group, people just swallow the claims of opression.
Is it oppression that TV shows things you don't want you kids to see? Is it oppression that some people don't believe in your imaginary friend? Is it oppression when your religion is permitted to be practiced, as are any other religions citizens wish to practice? Or is the definition of "oppressing Christianity", "Not letting them win every freakin argument they start?" |
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Dude
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Posted - 06/27/2005 : 18:43:57 [Permalink]
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christians will apparently be opressed until there is a christain theocracy in charge of the country.
And maybe still then, since it is really just a tool to manipulate people. Convince them they are being opressed and they'll do what you tell them to to not be opressed.
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Starman
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Posted - 06/27/2005 : 23:13:04 [Permalink]
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"...the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, ..."
Goerings instructions are useful to them here as well. |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 06/28/2005 : 06:36:17 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Starman
"...the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, ..."
Goerings instructions are useful to them here as well.
Seemed to work for the Bush administration before the Iraq war. |
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Starman
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Posted - 06/28/2005 : 06:59:38 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Valiant Dancerquote:
Originally posted by Starman
Goerings instructions are useful to them here as well.
Seemed to work for the Bush administration before the Iraq war.
The full quote from Goering during the Nürnberg trials:
"Naturally the common people don't want war. But after all, it is the
leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it's always a
simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy or a
fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of
the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are
being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
for exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every
country.”
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/28/2005 : 07:00:52 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
quote:
Originally posted by Starman
"...the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, ..."
Goerings instructions are useful to them here as well.
Seemed to work for the Bush administration before the Iraq war.
The first line of my signature....
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/28/2005 : 07:31:41 [Permalink]
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From World O' Crap:
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A Dobson's 10 Commandments Wedding
All the wingnuts are talking today about the Supreme Court decisions about Ten Commandments monuments. When I saw the issue discussed on TV, it seemed fairly clear-cut (monuments that were part of displays about legal and cultural history were okay in public buildings; monuments meant to establish Christianity as the State Religion, poke a thumb in the eye of the courts, and jump on Roy Moore's bandwagon weren't constitutional). But the wingnuts are making it sound like not only are they being sorely oppressed again, but that now nobody will know whether it's okay to steal, covet, and commit adultery and stuff.
So, let's hear what James Dobson and Focus on the Family have to say about this:
I repeat, "Dis ain't over...."
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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trishran
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Posted - 06/29/2005 : 20:37:44 [Permalink]
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| I just don't see how anyone can make a case for a text being a secular display when the first words of the text are, "I am the Lord your God." |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/30/2005 : 02:24:19 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by trishran
I just don't see how anyone can make a case for a text being a secular display when the first words of the text are, "I am the Lord your God."
I think perhaps if it were among the symbols of other religions, with equal display, might do it. Or in a historical context. Or as a granite bouy anchor in the Inland Waterway. Beyond that, I don't either.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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LyricalReckoner
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Paulos23
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 07/01/2005 : 11:14:27 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by LyricalReckoner
Thought you might enjoy this essay about the Supreme Court, the Ten Commandments, the First and Fourteenth Amendments, how things used to be, and how so many of us wish to return to a fabled past.
Here's the link:
http://www.misterthorne.org/ESSAYS/an_exodus_past.htm
Enjoy!
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