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Dude
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Posted - 11/26/2005 :  17:42:10  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10217105/

Religilogic strikes again!

If a pesky fact bothers you, just pretend that it isn't a fact and call it a religion! Then, if public money is used to teach this fact, you can drum up a frivolous lawsuit and get public attention!

Amazing the extent that the lairs-for-god will go to, isn't it?


Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

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The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth

pleco
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Posted - 11/26/2005 :  18:25:51   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit pleco's Homepage Send pleco a Private Message
That couple must be some young-earthers...

How people can say that evolutionary theory is anti-christian or anti-religion is beyond me, but then again so is belief in the "supernatural".

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R.Wreck
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Posted - 11/26/2005 :  21:47:39   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send R.Wreck a Private Message
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In the lawsuit filed last month, the Caldwells contend the site is an effort "to modify the beliefs of public school science students so they will be more willing to accept evolutionary theory as true."




Um, isn't that the point of science education, to teach students the generally accepted scientific explanations of evidence and phenomena? Would these two yokels rather have us teach that, well, sometimes jesus just feels like appearing on a tortilla?

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The plaintiffs are not proponents of "intelligent design" — a theory that living organisms are so complex they must have been created by a higher intelligence — but they object to the teaching of evolution as scientific fact, Jeanne Caldwell said.




I can only wonder why they object then.

The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
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filthy
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Posted - 11/27/2005 :  00:15:32   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
Amusing.... It's the tired, old Christian persecution whine & snivle camoflaged with legal writs. I wonder if the Caldwells have ties to ICR -- wouldn't suprise me. I doubt that they are above employing such cat's paws.

It has been said, and I agree, that laughter is the best medicine and ridicule the best preventitive. I rather think that these troglodytes would quietly withdraw the suit if a goodish portion of the country was rolling on the floor at their expense.

That's the problem, you see. We take them too seriously, as if they actually deserved some consideration, and thus we let them clog up the courts and the public discourse a'la Dover and Kansas, when instead, we should be laughing them out of town for the ridiculous mountebanks that they are. Then they'd have something to bitch about.

Ah well, I don't suppose it'll happen. Kind'a makes one wonder how it would be today if the Romans had finished off the cult when they had the chance.




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Siberia
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Posted - 11/27/2005 :  04:22:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by R.Wreck

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">In the lawsuit filed last month, the Caldwells contend the site is an effort "to modify the beliefs of public school science students so they will be more willing to accept evolutionary theory as true."




Um, isn't that the point of science education, to teach students the generally accepted scientific explanations of evidence and phenomena? Would these two yokels rather have us teach that, well, sometimes jesus just feels like appearing on a tortilla?
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The last phrase almost made me ruin my keyboard with warm latte.

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Cuneiformist
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Posted - 11/27/2005 :  09:00:14   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Cuneiformist a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by R.Wreck
quote:
In the lawsuit filed last month, the Caldwells contend the site is an effort "to modify the beliefs of public school science students so they will be more willing to accept evolutionary theory as true."
Um, isn't that the point of science education, to teach students the generally accepted scientific explanations of evidence and phenomena? Would these two yokels rather have us teach that, well, sometimes jesus just feels like appearing on a tortilla?
No kidding, RW! I think next, the couple is going to sue the University of Michigan for trying to ""to modify the beliefs of public school science students so they will be more willing to accept chemistry as true." Because, you know, they aren't teaching alchemy, too.
Edited by - Cuneiformist on 11/27/2005 09:01:28
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pleco
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Posted - 11/27/2005 :  09:16:18   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit pleco's Homepage Send pleco a Private Message
You mean you CAN'T change water into wine instantenously according to chemistry? Then they should teach Intelligent Chemistry, along with Intelligent Physics (to account for the Flood, the parting of the Red Sea, Walking on Water, etc.)

I sent a note of encouragement to the webmaster at that site. At least to let them know that someone in the Bible Noose supports them.

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Starman
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Sweden
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Posted - 11/28/2005 :  02:46:04   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Starman a Private Message
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Originally posted by R.Wreck

I can only wonder why they object then.
I think they claim that as the web sites claim that evolution poses no problem to several named religious denominations, it can be seen as an an endorsement of those religions.

"Any religion that makes a form of torture into an icon that they worship seems to me a pretty sick sort of religion quite honestly"
-- Terry Jones
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