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lpetrich
Skeptic Friend
USA
74 Posts |
 Posted - 11/12/2001 : 21:29:42
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gezzam
SFN Regular
Australia
751 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2001 : 21:36:43 [Permalink]
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I don't object to women wearing pants....although I do think they look nicer in a skirt. They seem to wear pants to work more than when they go out.....but then again I am a male....so I know absolutely nothing about this. (although I have worn a skirt once to a fancy dress party....butd after being "molested" by all my friends that I understand why they do wear pants)
"Damn you people. Go back to your shanties." --- Shooter McGavin |
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
2511 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2001 : 23:46:00 [Permalink]
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I was simply curious about this interesting change.
What is your question?
I can tell you my personal expierences if you'd like.
When I was in grammar school they MADE me wear womens/girls clothes. It was a horrid time for me in those years thru to Jr. high school. I couldn't wait to get home and change to my jeans so I could go out and play football and baseball. Back then we weren't free to wear anything we wanted so I had to comply but that's one of the reasons I hate women so much today.
I don't like shopping for clothes, the more comfortable the better. Old shirt and pants-I'm happy.
Although I have to confess I do x-dress sometimes. I like flamboyant feathers and shining sequins on occassion.    
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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 11/13/2001 : 09:28:58 [Permalink]
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This is a change that has happened over the last 30 years or so -- in some parts of the world, a large fraction of women has shifted over to wearing pants as their visible lower garment most of the time, if not essentially all of the time. I say "some parts" because most of my experience is in certain US urban and suburban areas.
Let's face it, slacks are more sensible. When it's cold - why freeze your legs. You don't have to worry about bending over the wrong way. You can actually do things.
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And despite the common stereotype of women as being preoccupied with clothes, there has been remarkably little discussion or controversy about that. But most of that could have been a few decades ago, long before what I like to call the Internet horizon.
They still worry about clothes (I think - at least as much as some of them talk about clothes). I never did - always wore jeans and t-shirts.
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The main things I could find are various sorts of fundies commenting on it, and they usually considered it a no-no.
Well, fundies - that pretty much says it all. Aren't they the one's who think women should be bare-foot and pregnant all the time? No thanks.
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I'm not saying that I object to women wearing pants; to tell the truth, I like that, because that garment shows off lower-body shape very nicely. I was simply curious about this interesting change.
Refusal to be bound by outdated, outmoded social mores?
It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either of them. -Mark Twain |
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Donnie B.
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 11/13/2001 : 10:03:52 [Permalink]
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A woman I once knew (a nurse-practitioner), had a favorite saying:
"Now that we've got the women into pants, we need to get the men into skirts."
The first half was (I think) a comment on the social change you've noted. But the second half was not some snide remark supporting female domination, but a medical opinion.
It seems that the modern male's penchant for wearing tight underwear (especially jocky shorts and similar items) is bad for testicular health and male fertility. The little guys just stay too warm when they're tucked up against the abdomen. Nature built the scrotum as an air conditioner, which keeps the male glands a few degrees below body temperature -- ideal for sperm production. There's some evidence that the chronic elevated temperature produced by modern male clothing may contribute to testicular cancer, too.
-- Donnie B.
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 11/13/2001 : 10:44:16 [Permalink]
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A boxer wearer, but no skirts...
I'd wear a kilt if they were socially acceptable.
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Donnie B.
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 11/13/2001 : 12:13:26 [Permalink]
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A boxer wearer, but no skirts...
I'd wear a kilt if they were socially acceptable.
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I'd go naked if it were socially acceptable. Well, in good weather anyhow.
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Lisa
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 11/14/2001 : 02:58:58 [Permalink]
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Funny how society changes. I think a lot of the "dress" issue in schools is still influencing me today. First off, I'm 42, so I hit kindergarten in what, '64? My mother wouldn't have dreamed in sending me to school in anything but a dress.
In 3rd and 4th, overseas in DODDS schools, they were a little more relaxed. I think it was more "be clothed".
When we got back to the States, is when I learned what society thinks girls are "supposed" to do. Wear dresses, play with dolls, E-Z Bake ovens, guys are stronger, therefore smarter, the list goes on.
I guess since about 4th grade I've seen the dress vs pants issue as one designed to keep girls in their "proper place".
Lisa
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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
2102 Posts |
Posted - 11/14/2001 : 04:19:30 [Permalink]
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Funny how society changes. I think a lot of the "dress" issue in schools is still influencing me today. First off, I'm 42, so I hit kindergarten in what, '64? My mother wouldn't have dreamed in sending me to school in anything but a dress.
In 3rd and 4th, overseas in DODDS schools, they were a little more relaxed. I think it was more "be clothed".
When we got back to the States, is when I learned what society thinks girls are "supposed" to do. Wear dresses, play with dolls, E-Z Bake ovens, guys are stronger, therefore smarter, the list goes on.
I guess since about 4th grade I've seen the dress vs pants issue as one designed to keep girls in their "proper place".
Lisa
If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.
My mom sent me to school in a dress once. When I got home it wasn't even suitable for the rag bin, even after it was washed. (That dirt hill on the way home was just toooooo inviting - we had to slide down on those big pieces of cardboard hanging out at the top of it. Who cared about clotes.)
It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either of them. -Mark Twain |
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
2511 Posts |
Posted - 11/14/2001 : 21:14:07 [Permalink]
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I'd go naked if it were socially acceptable. Well, in good weather anyhow.
-- Donnie B.
Social, smocial. What you are saying is you don't want to get arrested.
I already do go naked all the time when not in public or too cold. My neigbors, poor dears, they are elderly, hope they don't have a heart attack while I'm in my backyard. There are cracks in the fence.
I wish we could also not be arrested too.
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James
SFN Regular
USA
754 Posts |
Posted - 11/14/2001 : 21:20:54 [Permalink]
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I'd go naked if it were socially acceptable. Well, in good weather anyhow.
-- Donnie B.
Social, smocial. What you are saying is you don't want to get arrested.
I already do go naked all the time when not in public or too cold. My neigbors, poor dears, they are elderly, hope they don't have a heart attack while I'm in my backyard. There are cracks in the fence.
I wish we could also not be arrested too.
Still wish to move to Europe? I hear that the island of Ibiza is perfect all year round. 
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
2511 Posts |
Posted - 11/15/2001 : 02:15:11 [Permalink]
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Still wish to move to Europe? I hear that the island of Ibiza is perfect all year round.
James, honey! I never said anything about moving to Europe BUT, if that's an invite, hey....I love younger man.
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James
SFN Regular
USA
754 Posts |
Posted - 11/15/2001 : 05:50:52 [Permalink]
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Still wish to move to Europe? I hear that the island of Ibiza is perfect all year round.
James, honey! I never said anything about moving to Europe BUT, if that's an invite, hey....I love younger man.
I ain't interested that way, but, if you aren't interested in going to Europe, I hear that Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada is a bit more relaxed with it's laws than here in the US.
Namely, nude beaches.
"Hey Butt-Head check this book out! There's a talking snake, a naked chick, then some guy puts a leaf on his SCHLONG!!" [Beavis and Butt-Head Do America] |
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ljbrs
SFN Regular
USA
842 Posts |
Posted - 11/15/2001 : 17:47:55 [Permalink]
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If I had my choice, I would wear pants (shorts or slacks) all of the time. They are more comfortable and one does not have to watch what one does with one's legs to avoid *showing it all*. What I cannot stand are those stupid long dresses. Everybody seems to be trying to get women to go back to the 19th Century to a time long before women received the right to vote in the United States.
It is impossible to drive a car safely with those stupid long dresses unless you pull them up and somehow keep them from getting in your way whenever you need to brake or use the clutch. I think that the long dresses were the ideas of males who would like to see the trend for women's rights be reversed so that we could all live like the Taliban or like the women in certain backward and ignorant countries.
I was always active. Ever try sailing (a sailboat) while wearing a skirt? Ever try riding a bicycle wearing a skirt? Ever try doing anything which necessitated the ease of movement while wearing a skirt?
I simply consider it to be nobody's business what I choose to wear. I will not tell anybody else what to wear. Comfort is very important to me. Whenever wearing a skirt is mandatory, I wear knee-length skirts. I shop only in stores which carry the things that I wish to buy, particularly clothes. Those stores which refuse to carry them are ones which can do without my business in everything else. I simply stop shopping in those stores completely (and permanently).
I think that men are funny who want their women to be submissive, stupid, and ignorant. Men who marry submissive, stupid, and ignorant women get submissive, stupid, and ignorant children, as a result. That is simple justice.
ljbrs
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lpetrich
Skeptic Friend
USA
74 Posts |
Posted - 11/15/2001 : 23:57:20 [Permalink]
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ljbrs:
If I had my choice, I would wear pants (shorts or slacks) all of the time. They are more comfortable and one does not have to watch what one does with one's legs to avoid *showing it all*. What I cannot stand are those stupid long dresses. Everybody seems to be trying to get women to go back to the 19th Century to a time long before women received the right to vote in the United States.
LP:
I don't know what you are talking about, because I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, and in the parts I frequent, the majority of women I see wear pants. And I've seen that in other places, though my acquaintance is less direct.
Do you live in a heavily Religious-Right area or something?
ljbrs:
It is impossible to drive a car safely with those stupid long dresses unless you pull them up and somehow keep them from getting in your way whenever you need to brake or use the clutch. I think that the long dresses were the ideas of males who would like to see the trend for women's rights be reversed so that we could all live like the Taliban or like the women in certain backward and ignorant countries.
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What's keeping you from wearing pants all the time?
ljbrs:
I was always active. Ever try sailing (a sailboat) while wearing a skirt? Ever try riding a bicycle wearing a skirt? Ever try doing anything which necessitated the ease of movement while wearing a skirt?
LP:
I've never done that, so I can't say.
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