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filthy
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..... are trying to come together, it would seem..... Or at least the offer's been made.quote:
A Tempting Job Offer for Hwang Woo-suk
The U.S. biotech firm Clonaid has sprung to the rescue of the embattled cloning scientist Hwang Woo-sook with an offer to join a research partnership at its secret research facility. Clonaid was founded by the Raelian Movement, a cult-like religious group that maintains humans were created by aliens and claims to have cloned a human being. The company is represented by French scientist Dr. Brigitte Boisselier.
A press release from the company on Monday said Boisselier has written to Hwang to outline the proposal. Boisselier said she believed Hwang's discoveries to be original and that groups opposing stem cell research such as the Catholic Church conspired to undermine Hwang by making it appear as though the scientist concocted his data. She said he had become a victim of a conservative anti-scientific faction, according to the press release.
There is little chance that Hwang, who has maintained his opposition to creating fully-grown clones of human beings, will join the firm. Clonaid probably knew this was a long shot and may have made the proposal to promote the religion.
The works Boisselier and Hwang. That would give us skeptics an endless topic for discussion and hilarity. Me, I hope they get it together. 
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Hawks
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 Posted - 01/17/2006 : 15:22:06 [Permalink]
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| And why would the Raelians need him in the first place. They have supposedly already cloned, not just cells, but a whole human being. What can Hwang possibly offer that their own scientists can't? |
METHINKS IT IS LIKE A WEASEL
It's a small, off-duty czechoslovakian traffic warden! |
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Ricky
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filthy
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Posted - 01/17/2006 : 16:20:55 [Permalink]
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Hey, whaddya expect? They're Raelians!! Logic and reason, as we think of the terms, have nothing to do with it.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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beskeptigal
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Posted - 01/18/2006 : 01:48:05 [Permalink]
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| Well the Raelians are in fantasyland. They've just fantasized that the work the guy admits was fake isn't really fake. |
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trogdor
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Posted - 01/18/2006 : 09:39:34 [Permalink]
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flock together? I don't know. I'm reminded of the douglas Adams quote
"it looked like one duck trying to make a third duck inside a second duck, while the second duck was trying to explain that it wasn't ready for a third duck right now, not with this first, duck and especially not when it, the second duck, was busy flying."
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Dude
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Posted - 01/18/2006 : 10:39:00 [Permalink]
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The technology exists to clone a human. It could be done fairly easily.
Remember, Hwang's dog clone is legit. He just faked his stem cell cloning research.
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beskeptigal
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Posted - 01/18/2006 : 12:17:11 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dude
The technology exists to clone a human. It could be done fairly easily.
Remember, Hwang's dog clone is legit. He just faked his stem cell cloning research.
I thought the dog clone was being questioned? We do have Dolly the sheep though. And I can't recall but I think cloned mice have been produced as well. |
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Dude
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Posted - 01/18/2006 : 13:10:45 [Permalink]
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I thought the dog clone was being questioned? We do have Dolly the sheep though. And I can't recall but I think cloned mice have been produced as well.
The dog was determined to be legit.
And yes, cloned mice by the hundreds are out there in labs.
Cloned cats also... there is a company that will clone your pet for you, for $50K.
The reproductive processes of all mammals are very similar, the only reason there is no confirmed human clone as yet is due to the alledged ethics concerns. No scientist, yet, has been willing to tackle that one. Can't say I blame them, as the first person to legitimately clone a human is probably going to get extreme backlash from the religious nutz here in the US.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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sts60
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Posted - 01/18/2006 : 14:18:12 [Permalink]
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the alledged ethics concerns
They are real ethics concerns, whether or not you agree with them.
Nor is everyone with qualms about cloning a "religious nut". |
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 01/18/2006 : 14:27:15 [Permalink]
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What are the ethical concerns of cloning humans? I always thought most of the concerns focus on how the clone is treated. I can't actually see anything unethical about cloning in and of itself.
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furshur
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Posted - 01/19/2006 : 14:01:08 [Permalink]
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They are real ethics concerns, whether or not you agree with them.
A clone is nothing more than your twin with a different birthday.
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beskeptigal
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Posted - 01/19/2006 : 17:51:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
What are the ethical concerns of cloning humans? I always thought most of the concerns focus on how the clone is treated. I can't actually see anything unethical about cloning in and of itself.
As to a clone itself, I have no ethical issue. But as to the process, there are serious problems with defects that occur. You get one good embryo for a large number of malformed embryos. Things like that have been mentioned as ethical issues. You know, the human experimentation side of the problem. |
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