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Bill scott
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 Posted - 02/01/2006 : 09:30:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by GeeMack
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Originally posted by Bill Scott...
Were impressed. GeeMac can use google like the rest of us. If I was plagiarizing I would have removed the credits. Now go back and play with your blocks.
You may want to familiarize yourself with the Fair Use Provisions of the United States copyright laws. Unless you are able to verify that you have specific permission from the authors of the articles posted, what you have done is indeed plagiarism and is a violation of the law. But you haven't said a single thing in any of your postings yet that indicates you might understand such things (or much of anything rational at all), so it doesn't surprise me in the least that it got past you.
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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Posted - 02/01/2006 : 09:35:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
Damn shame you can't point to anything more recent than 2000 for your objection.
Saturday, December 17, 2005
ACLU Challenges 49ers Pat Down Policy
Two long time 49ers season ticket holders have contacted the ACLU of Northern California in an effort to put a halt to the pat downs taking place as the fans enter the stadium. Now keep in mind that these pat downs were ordered by the NFL Commissioners office in response to the Oklahoma State bomber.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that sports venues are prime targets for terrorist attacks. Where else can you get mass numbers of people in one place, strike, and have a high casualty number? Football, baseball, and believe it or not auto-racing are the largest outdoor venues in America. The Indianapolis Motor Speedway is the largest out door sports arena and would be an ultimate target.
So these long time season ticket holders are inconvenienced by the pat down. Who cares? The ACLU that's who.
"A football game is the same as any large public gathering," said ACLU staff attorney Ann Brick. "They don't do searches at baseball games, not even the World Series, or hockey games or the opera or the theater. The 49ers are asking people to accept the assertion of national security without concrete evidence to back it up. We shouldn't have to surrender the right to privacy based on speculation."
Ok then, let's wait until 80,000 people get exposed to Sarin gas and spreads it throughout Oakland and San Francisco. Let all those liberal idiots from the left coast die from a mass attack before we decide to get pro-active.
But that's the key. The ACLU opposes anything and everything that is pro-active. They would have us be reactive. And against terrorism, the reactionaries end up dead.
Apeal to consequences and that whole 4th amendment thing just blew by you. Sad. So you are complaining because the ACLU is fighting to preserve the Constitutional protections that you find inconvienient.
Read this
http://www.findlaw.com/casecode/constitution/
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Posted - 02/01/2006 : 09:36:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
So sue me. You and the ACLU...
So you wantonly break the laws that you don't like, and dare someone to do something about it.
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GeeMack
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Posted - 02/01/2006 : 09:39:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill Scott...
Originally posted by filthy...
Think about it, Bill -- what if you were charged, rightly or wrongly, with a crime and refused representation in court? What if you were suspected, rightly or wrongly, of associating with a terrorist and were incarcerated without charge and legal representation? Who is gonna speak for you?
Better yet, think if I was rightly jailed for man/boy sex then who would defend me? The ACLU of coarse. They would at the bare minimum defend my right to remain anonymous. And believe me if you are in the tank and you know that your guilty of man/boy sex it is nice to know someone is still on your side and understand your plight. Sick!
It is baffling that anyone could so thoroughly misunderstand what the ACLU is defending. The fact that you obviously refuse to understand shows, sadly, that you are a victim of some sort of cognitive dissonance which results in very limited thinking.
Also, you seem to get pretty uptight about this particular issue of "man/boy sex". Do you maybe have some personal issues with this kind of activity, something that has directly affected your own life? If so, there are places you can get help with that. Ranting on a forum might be good therapy, but if that's what you're doing here, it doesn't seem to be alleviating any of your anger.quote:
So sue me. You and the ACLU...
I think we'll just start by having your postings removed.
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 02/01/2006 : 09:43:39 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
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Originally posted by GeeMack
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Originally posted by Bill Scott...
Were impressed. GeeMac can use google like the rest of us. If I was plagiarizing I would have removed the credits. Now go back and play with your blocks.
You may want to familiarize yourself with the Fair Use Provisions of the United States copyright laws. Unless you are able to verify that you have specific permission from the authors of the articles posted, what you have done is indeed plagiarism and is a violation of the law. But you haven't said a single thing in any of your postings yet that indicates you might understand such things (or much of anything rational at all), so it doesn't surprise me in the least that it got past you.
So sue me. You and the ACLU...
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Bill scott
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Posted - 02/01/2006 : 09:47:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
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Originally posted by Bill scott
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Originally posted by GeeMack
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Originally posted by Bill Scott...
Were impressed. GeeMac can use google like the rest of us. If I was plagiarizing I would have removed the credits. Now go back and play with your blocks.
You may want to familiarize yourself with the Fair Use Provisions of the United States copyright laws. Unless you are able to verify that you have specific permission from the authors of the articles posted, what you have done is indeed plagiarism and is a violation of the law. But you haven't said a single thing in any of your postings yet that indicates you might understand such things (or much of anything rational at all), so it doesn't surprise me in the least that it got past you.
So sue me. You and the ACLU...
Official Moderator Warning: We take copyright infringement very seriously here. Abide by Fair Use standards or be banned from this forum.
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moakley
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Posted - 02/01/2006 : 10:16:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
What's your point? The scum who killed the boy have both been tried and convicted.
(bill) By defending the child pervs ability to hide behind curtains and remain in the shadows while viewing a catalog of young victims, opps I mean lovers the ACLU shows it's true stripes of supporting anti child, anti social, anti American, anti decent behavior. Besides the fact that man and boy sex is ILLEGAL!!!!! Why should those involved in illegal behavior deserve the right of being anonymous?
Thinking about, and perhaps even cyber-spanking to, what you and I consider unsavory thoughts is not a crime. Acting upon these thoughts is a crime and the two pervs have been convicted.
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Originally posted by Bill scott
As far as the crime itself and the web site is concerned you can show correlation, but can you prove causation. The scum would have likely committed this heinous crime regardless of the web site.
(bill) Maybe, maybe not? It is much more likely that viewing this website stirred the lust in their heart that they have for little boys, which the piece said they were on the site previous to the murder.
Can you prove this? Can any one?
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Originally posted by Bill scott
Man and boy sex is illegal so of coarse it's participants want to remain anonymous. Most people involved in illegal and disgusting activity long to be anonymous, only they don't get free representation from the ACLU like homo child pervs do. Just great!
Bottom line "thinking" that you do not agree with should be a crime.
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As an example of extremist thinking, can you show that this type of crime never occurred prior to the internet.
(bill) This talk has nothing to do with the WWW but instead the ACLU's willingness to go to bat for homo child rapist and his desire to remain anonymous.
You are wrong Bill. You are claiming that this web site should be considered illegal and its participants and members exposed. You are willing to make thinking illegal, not just acts.
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Where would you draw the line in the sensoring of ideas and (in your case) knowledge?
(bill) To start with, when an activity like man/boy sex is highly illegal, that is a good place to draw the line.
Yes and the pervs who committed the act have been tried and convicted. The act is illegal. The web site, and members, only represent thoughts that both of us find disgusting, only you would make this thought illegal. So what other thoughts would you make illegal? |
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Jason Barker
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Posted - 02/01/2006 : 10:27:59 [Permalink]
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Posted - 02/01/2006 : 10:30:51 [Permalink]
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Yeah, and who are you to force your will and beliefs on these two that homo child rape is wrong? Just because you say that it is wrong good for you. The ACLU will say you have no right to force your beliefs on child pervs. You just have a biggoted homo-child perv world view is how the ACLU would spin it in court. And then some activist loon judge will hand out a slap on the wrist. Then the ACLU and their fundies will give each other high fives (in the name of "freedom") as the homo child pervs walk. Just great!
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As a card-carying member of the ACLU, I must ask: What the hell have you been smoking?
The ACLU is dedicated to defending the consitutional rights of all American citizens. That means you too, Bill, in the unhappy event it should come to that. As stated, I consider NAMBLA a vile organization, but any member innocent of acting out his fantasies has the same rights as any of the rest of us. Further, even when charged with a crime, the defendant has certain rights. This really pisses off some conservatives, and to them, I say, "Tough titty motherfuckers, the Constitution rules, so suck it up!"
Think about it, Bill -- what if you were charged, rightly or wrongly, with a crime and refused representation in court? What if you were suspected, rightly or wrongly, of associating with a terrorist and were incarcerated without charge and legal representation? Who is gonna speak for you?
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As a card-carying member of the ACLU, I must ask: What the hell have you been smoking?
(bill) Whatever it is I am not afraid to get caught with it, the ACLU will defend might right to smoke uncontested. Well I might have to throw in a desire to remain anonymous for funding illegal man/boy sex activity on the web but then they will defend me. A weed smoking, child raping, child porn visiting scum, yeah what probable cause could the authorities have to want to know this guys name? Good job ACLU, way to keep us and all our kids safe in these dangerous days. (sigh)
The ACLU is dedicated to defending the consitutional rights of all American citizens.
(bill) However, for some reason, the prefer to represent homo child pervs.
That means you too, Bill, in the unhappy event it should come to that. As stated,
(bill) Well if I want to view child porn with nobody knowing I am sure they will be at my beck and call. And free of charge no less. Just great!
I consider NAMBLA a vile organization,
(bill)
I knew we held common ground on something.
but any member innocent of acting out his fantasies has the same rights as any of the rest of us.
(bill) Not if his fantasy includes the highly illegal activity of man/boy rape.
Further, even when charged with a crime, the defendant has certain rights.
(bill) Remaining anonymous after being involved in illegal boy/man sex activity of any kind should not be one of them
This really pisses off some conservatives, and to them, I say, "Tough titty motherfuckers, the Constitution rules, so suck it up!"
(bill) Wrong! What pisses us off are the fools who under the guise of freedom go to bat for homo child rape supporters and forget the kids on the other end who have been raped or raped and murdered by current and upstanding NAMBAL members. And they (ACLU) have a complete lack of remorse and actually sit around and feel good about themselves. Sick!
Think about it, Bill -- what if you were charged, rightly or wrongly, with a crime and refused representation in court? What if you were suspected, rightly or wrongly, of associating with a terrorist and were incarcerated without charge and legal representation? Who is gonna speak for you?
(bill) Better yet, think if I was rightly jailed for man/boy sex then who would defend me? The ACLU of coarse. They would at the bare minimum defend my right to remain anonymous. And believe me if you are in the tank and you know that your guilty of man/boy sex it is nice to know someone is still on your side and understand your plight. Sick!
I would not be to proud of that ACLU card. Your donations was used to defend homo child pervs. I guess the ACLU would argue that that is your right. Just great!
You don't read very well, do you? The ACLU does not defend these people, only their rights, and yours as well.
So live with it: the Constitution rules. And do try to improve your reading skills.
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Bill scott
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Posted - 02/01/2006 : 10:35:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by GeeMack
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Originally posted by Bill Scott...
Originally posted by filthy...
Think about it, Bill -- what if you were charged, rightly or wrongly, with a crime and refused representation in court? What if you were suspected, rightly or wrongly, of associating with a terrorist and were incarcerated without charge and legal representation? Who is gonna speak for you?
Better yet, think if I was rightly jailed for man/boy sex then who would defend me? The ACLU of coarse. They would at the bare minimum defend my right to remain anonymous. And believe me if you are in the tank and you know that your guilty of man/boy sex it is nice to know someone is still on your side and understand your plight. Sick!
It is baffling that anyone could so thoroughly misunderstand what the ACLU is defending. The fact that you obviously refuse to understand shows, sadly, that you are a victim of some sort of cognitive dissonance which results in very limited thinking.
Also, you seem to get pretty uptight about this particular issue of "man/boy sex". Do you maybe have some personal issues with this kind of activity, something that has directly affected your own life? If so, there are places you can get help with that. Ranting on a forum might be good therapy, but if that's what you're doing here, it doesn't seem to be alleviating any of your anger.quote:
So sue me. You and the ACLU...
I think we'll just start by having your postings removed.
It is baffling that anyone could so thoroughly misunderstand what the ACLU is defending.
(bill) Right. In the name of freedom they defend boy/man sex associates. What is so hard to see about that?
The fact that you obviously refuse to understand shows, sadly, that you are a victim of some sort of cognitive dissonance which results in very limited thinking.
(bill) Or maybe I just can't gloss over the fact that the ACLU defends and protects child sex pervs under the guise of freedom. Hey if you can then the ACLU will defend you so cheers.
Also, you seem to get pretty uptight about this particular issue of "man/boy sex".
(bill) As do 99.9% of all Americans. Let me guess, you think we should leave child sex homo rapists alone under protection freedom? Not surprising. He loses his freedom when the website he visits or supports is involved in illegal man/boy sex. Not very difficult to understand here Gee.
Do you maybe have some personal issues with this kind of activity,
(bill) Nope. As a boy I never had sex with a man and as a man I have never had sex with any boys. I, just like millions of other Americans, have a problem with those that do and the law firms that seek to hide them.
something that has directly affected your own life?
(bill) Nope. Thank God this subject has not had a direct impact on my life.
If so, there are places you can get help with that. Ranting on a forum might be good therapy, but if that's what you're doing here, it doesn't seem to be alleviating any of your anger
(bill) My only anger is people who defend and support the ACLU when they defend and try to hide and provide sanctuary child rapist under the guise of personal freedom. |
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Bill scott
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Posted - 02/01/2006 : 10:56:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
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You don't read very well, do you? The ACLU does not defend these people, only their rights, and yours as well.
You don't read very well, do you? The ACLU does not defend these people, only their rights, and yours as well.
(bill) By defending their "rights" they ARE DEFENDING the child pervs. ACLU is not a public defender. They can pick and choose which case they want to take up and which case they can pass on. They know darn well that child rapist go to the NAMBLA man/boy sex site. The know darn well some have already committed crimes and that many will be committing crimes in the future. ACLU could have reviewed this case and seen that they would be defending child pervs and simply passed on the case. I UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR WHOLE POINT IS THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS NO RIGHT TO KNOW WHO SUPPORTS THIS WEBSITE OR THAT ONE. However, when the website in question is promoting such a deviant act as man/boy sex, which is illegal, then the website and the participants give up their right to privacy IMO. And the ACLU, out of obligation to coexist in a civil society, should not be defending theses pervs under the guise of defending freedoms. That is just the biggest crock of bull that there is.
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Jason Barker
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 02/01/2006 : 11:56:01 [Permalink]
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I'm totally reminded of that David Bowie song that goes "Boys...boys, its a sweet thing." from the Diamong Dogs album.
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GeeMack
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Posted - 02/01/2006 : 12:03:21 [Permalink]
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Apparently NAMBLA's web site existed for the purpose of advocating the modification or repeal of certain laws. Apparently Bill Scott thinks the operators of that web site, and/or its other visitors, should be denied their First Amendment rights because he doesn't agree with the opinion expressed on that web site. Apparently the ACLU was intent on defending the web site operators' and visitors' First Amendment rights.
Apparently Bill Scott believes he should be allowed to state his opinion on a web site. Apparently he considers it wrong for an organization to defend one's right to state an opinion, unless it's an opinion with which he agrees. Apparently he also advocates the modification or repeal of certain laws...Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. -- The First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States |
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Bill scott
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Posted - 02/01/2006 : 13:14:05 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by GeeMack
Apparently NAMBLA's web site existed for the purpose of advocating the modification or repeal of certain laws. Apparently Bill Scott thinks the operators of that web site, and/or its other visitors, should be denied their First Amendment rights because he doesn't agree with the opinion expressed on that web site. Apparently the ACLU was intent on defending the web site operators' and visitors' First Amendment rights.
Apparently Bill Scott believes he should be allowed to state his opinion on a web site. Apparently he considers it wrong for an organization to defend one's right to state an opinion, unless it's an opinion with which he agrees. Apparently he also advocates the modification or repeal of certain laws...Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. -- The First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States
Apparently Bill Scott believes he should be allowed to state his opinion on a web site.
(bill) Bill does not think that pervs should enjoy anonymous coming and going and supporting of a website which promotes illegal and deviant behavior. Nor does Bill think that the ACLU, which is a private firm with no commitment to the pervs, should be offering free console to protect or hide the pervs.
Apparently he considers it wrong for an organization to defend one's right to state an opinion,
(bill) Wrong! Bill thinks is wrong for pervs to enjoy anonymous giving and support of a website that promotes illegal and deviant behavior. And yes I think it is wrong for ACLU to support know pervs when they have no legal obligation to do so and that it is wrong for people to support the perv supporting law firm.
unless it's an opinion with which he agrees.
(bill) Wrong again. Try org. which support and promote illegal and deviant behavior which is detrimental to children
Apparently he also advocates the modification or repeal of certain laws...
(bill) Which laws gee? The group wants to legalize sex between men and boys. This is illegal and will always be illegal. This law will not be repealed. For the sake of moving forward I will just agree for the moment that the pervs can remain anonymous as long as they have not yet committed a crime. My beef is with the ACLU, who willing defends the pervs under no legal obligation to do so, for the sake of the pervs "personal freedom" to be a perv in private. Tell all of the boys across the country who have been raped by NAMBLA members, sympathizers and spin off groups since 2000 that the ACLU was protecting the ID of these pervs so that they may go about their deeds in secret and move from town to town undetected. I am sure these kids and their parents are very appreciative of the ACLU. Look if you want to take the stance that personal freedom of pervs is more important and trumps tracking child pervs from the net then that is your right to have such an opinion and to voice it. Just I have a right to call the ACLU, and their sponsors, a grave threat to children (little boys) by defending the "rights" of the pervs that seek to rape them. Just great!
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Bill scott
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Posted - 02/01/2006 : 13:18:27 [Permalink]
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Well, since this happened in 2000, and society has not collapsed yet, I assume that what the ACLU did was not a huge deal.
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