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pleco
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Posted - 02/02/2006 :  17:52:12  Show Profile  Visit pleco's Homepage Send pleco a Private Message
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ID/11147751

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"There had been theoretical models to explain the evolutionary mechanism — how selective pressures can maintain polyphenisms in a population, and why they don't converge gradually into one form or another," said Duke University graduate student Yuichiro Suzuki. "But nobody had ever started with a species that didn't have a polyphenism and generated a brand-new polyphenism."

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Ricky
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None of this looks to be going anywhere in the sense of survival of the fittest. The black and green caterpillars will all grow up basically the same.


Huh? A complete change in color, cameoflage, does not impact their survival? Come on...

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Yeah, I thought that statement was not very forward-thinking...

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Huh? A complete change in color, cameoflage, does not impact their survival? Come on...


Exactly. The color change would possibly effect several factors in their survival.


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Yeah everybody know black caterpillars have bigger....feet.

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Interesting article, pleco. Thanks for sharing it. This brings to mind a North American bird with a fascinating trait that relates to color. The White-Throated Sparrow (Zonotrichia albicollis) has two basic color forms, and each bird expresses its preference for a mate based on the color of the other. Oddly enough it tends to select a mate with the color trait opposite its own.
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From the Cornell Lab of Ornithology...

Cool fact: Opposites attract. Two color morphs occur with equal frequency among White-throated Sparrows, and each morph nearly always mates with the other. "White-stripe" morphs have sharply contrasting black-and-white head stripes and usually solid gray breasts; "tan-stripe" morphs have less-contrasting dull black-and-tan colored stripes, and they often have streaks on their breasts. The more aggressive "white-stripe" females are preferred by both forms and are more successful in attracting the preferred "tan-stripe" males. This combination forms most rapidly, leaving "white-stripe" males and "tan-stripe" females to pair with each other. The result is an observed 96 percent frequency of mixed-morph pairings.
Another interesting and intriguing characteristic of the White-Throated Sparrow, they apparently occasionally breed successfully with the Dark-Eyed Junco (Junco hyemalis), a bird not even of its own genera. This produces yet another color variation, although I haven't found any mention of these inter-species birds going on to produce more offspring.
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Although they look nothing alike, the White-throated Sparrow and the Dark-eyed Junco occasionally mate and produce hybrids. The resulting offspring look like grayish, dully marked White-throated Sparrows with white outer tail feathers.
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