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filthy
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Posted - 04/28/2006 :  02:52:51  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
When you're in orbit, which way is Mecca?
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Apr 26, 4:38 AM ET



BANGI, Malaysia (Reuters) - As Malaysia prepares to pick its first astronaut, the country's space agency is hunting for solutions to the problems it expects devout Muslims to face while in orbit, such as in which direction to pray.

One of the five pillars of Islam requires the faithful to pray five times a day, and to face Mecca, the birthplace of Islam, while doing so. Astronauts aboard spaceships could have difficulty meeting these requirements.

"Among the astronaut's needs, if he is a Muslim, are guidelines on performing prayers in space, and other aspects of life according to Islamic principles," Malaysian government official Mohd Ruddin Abdul Ghani told a two-day meeting of scientists and religious experts to thrash out solutions.

Kind'a shows how much fundamentalist Christians and their Muslim counterparts have in common, does it not it? Give either a situation not covered by dogma nor involves suppressing or (preferably?) killing someone and they're at a loss as to how to cope with it.

Good for a laugh, now and again.




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sts60
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Posted - 04/28/2006 :  07:11:39   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send sts60 a Private Message
Been there, done that:



Payload specialist Sultan Salman Abdelazize Al-Saud, aboard Discovery during STS-51G in 1985. IIRC, he was covered under some kind of dispensation for travelers wherein they are not held to the 5-a-day regimen. He wouldn't have gotten much work done in low Earth orbit otherwise (90 minute days/5 would have had him praying every 18 minutes!)
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Randy
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Posted - 04/28/2006 :  14:27:17   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Randy a Private Message
This reminds me of a old National Lampoon magazine four page cartoon called "Amish In Space". They'd float around in rocking chairs in their space craft quoting bible passages, seemingly oblivious to their space enviroment.

"We are all connected; to each other biologically, to the earth chemically, to the rest of the universe atomically."

"So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?"
-Neil DeGrasse Tyson
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Maverick
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Posted - 04/28/2006 :  23:32:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Maverick a Private Message
I find it bizarre that as we're in the process of becoming a spacefaring species, we still need to hold on to religions. Science is what makes space travel possible, what good ever comes from religion? Have these people ever considered trying not to report back to their imaginary friend all the time?

"Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy." -- Carl Sagan
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woolytoad
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Posted - 04/29/2006 :  05:00:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send woolytoad a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Maverick

I find it bizarre that as we're in the process of becoming a spacefaring species, we still need to hold on to religions. Science is what makes space travel possible, what good ever comes from religion? Have these people ever considered trying not to report back to their imaginary friend all the time?



Mother Theresa.

I think we need to be careful with this. We should not oppose certain religious views because they are religious, we should oppose them because they are blatantly wrong or dangerous.

Non religious thinking has come up with some equally ridiculous things.
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Gorgo
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Posted - 04/29/2006 :  05:44:57   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Gorgo a Private Message
Mother Teresa can only avoid being called a fraud because she never lied about ripping people off. She told everyone that suffering is good, so she took lots of money for nothing, and watched people suffer in her "hospitals." http://www.lipmagazine.org/articles/featpostel_56.htm

There are other religious people who have done some good. However, the prisons are full of people who check the God side of the ledger. I'm even told that criminals like George Bush are religious.

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Edited by - Gorgo on 04/29/2006 05:48:06
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Maverick
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Posted - 04/29/2006 :  08:13:24   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Maverick a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by woolytoad

quote:
Originally posted by Maverick

I find it bizarre that as we're in the process of becoming a spacefaring species, we still need to hold on to religions. Science is what makes space travel possible, what good ever comes from religion? Have these people ever considered trying not to report back to their imaginary friend all the time?



Mother Theresa.

I think we need to be careful with this. We should not oppose certain religious views because they are religious, we should oppose them because they are blatantly wrong or dangerous.

Non religious thinking has come up with some equally ridiculous things.


Obviously, ridiculous ideas and baseless faith doesn't need to be religious - but they often are. And, I wonder what religions have ever proven to be useful?

"Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy." -- Carl Sagan
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filthy
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Posted - 04/29/2006 :  09:13:20   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Maverick

quote:
Originally posted by woolytoad

quote:
Originally posted by Maverick

I find it bizarre that as we're in the process of becoming a spacefaring species, we still need to hold on to religions. Science is what makes space travel possible, what good ever comes from religion? Have these people ever considered trying not to report back to their imaginary friend all the time?



Mother Theresa.

I think we need to be careful with this. We should not oppose certain religious views because they are religious, we should oppose them because they are blatantly wrong or dangerous.

Non religious thinking has come up with some equally ridiculous things.


Obviously, ridiculous ideas and baseless faith doesn't need to be religious - but they often are. And, I wonder what religions have ever proven to be useful?

The Theory of Evolution....

And the Church of Reality.




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Edited by - filthy on 04/29/2006 09:25:39
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JohnOAS
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Posted - 04/29/2006 :  17:21:15   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit JohnOAS's Homepage Send JohnOAS a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by filthy
And the Church of Reality.




I hadn't seen that one before Filthy, thanks.

My question was going to be along the lines of "Are they a 'real' religion?", in that people could enter it on forms and such and have it be legitimate as well as a statement.

As it turns out, after a quick perusal of their site;

The IRS has approved the 501(C)3 tax exempt status of the Church of Reality.

A good start, IMHO.

John's just this guy, you know.
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Gorgo
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Posted - 04/29/2006 :  18:12:13   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Gorgo a Private Message
I think the NTCOF considers itself legally a church.

http://www.churchoffreethought.org/

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The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
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Maverick
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Posted - 04/30/2006 :  11:39:02   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Maverick a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by filthy


The Theory of Evolution....

And the Church of Reality.




Hah, the theory of evolution indeed. One of the few naturalistic religions, but still not without fascinating stories, such as the frog that gave birth to a prince...

Church of reality looks like something I should look up more closely sometime.

"Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy." -- Carl Sagan
Edited by - Maverick on 04/30/2006 11:39:35
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