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Dave W.
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Posted - 05/09/2006 :  19:00:38  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
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elevate
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Posted - 09/02/2006 :  16:21:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send elevate a Private Message
Hi there, i suggest you watch these short seminars on evolution by Dr Hovind... i used to be a believer in a combination of evolution/creationism/interventionism untill i saw these amazing seminars which show clearly the circular arguments regarding the age of fossils and strata, its a must see! Id be very interested in peoples comments after seeing this, cheers http://www.drdino.com/downloads.php?type=Seminar+Video
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R.Wreck
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Posted - 09/02/2006 :  17:32:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send R.Wreck a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by elevate

Hi there, i suggest you watch these short seminars on evolution by Dr Hovind... i used to be a believer in a combination of evolution/creationism/interventionism untill i saw these amazing seminars which show clearly the circular arguments regarding the age of fossils and strata, its a must see! Id be very interested in peoples comments after seeing this, cheers http://www.drdino.com/downloads.php?type=Seminar+Video



Thanks, elevate, that was great! You would probably enjoy the Creation Science Fair.

The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
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Kil
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Posted - 09/02/2006 :  17:42:07   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message
Sorry, I tried to listen. My ears started bleeding around the time he linked the Columbine kids and Hitler to evolution. 40 minutes in and he hadn't said anything beyond his standard Kent Hovind creationist blather and sermonizing…

Mr. Hovind is a two bit Carney. (No offence to the good people who work at the circus.)


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Why not question something for a change?

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R.Wreck
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Posted - 09/02/2006 :  17:48:11   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send R.Wreck a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Kil

Sorry, I tried to listen. My ears started bleeding around the time he linked the Columbine kids and Hitler to evolution. 40 minutes in and he hadn't said anything beyond his standard Kent Hovind creationist blather and sermonizing…

Mr. Hovind is a two bit Carney. (No offence to the good people who work at the circus.)





40 minutes???!!! Jeez Kil, you are a glutton for punishment.

The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
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Ricky
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Posted - 09/02/2006 :  19:14:02   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by elevate

Hi there, i suggest you watch these short seminars on evolution by Dr Hovind... i used to be a believer in a combination of evolution/creationism/interventionism untill i saw these amazing seminars which show clearly the circular arguments regarding the age of fossils and strata, its a must see! Id be very interested in peoples comments after seeing this, cheers http://www.drdino.com/downloads.php?type=Seminar+Video



Dr. Hovind presents science by analogy and straw men. Sometimes, if you're lucky, he will present actual facts, but he leaves out the ones which would utterly destroy his position. When challenged, he will use dishonest debating tactics and rhetoric. If you ask him a question on a subject he doesn't know, he will immediately change that question to a topic like it, but one that he can actually talk about.

I can understand why people believe in what he says, especially with the average understanding of science in America being so low. But please, keep an open mind. Read some critiques of his work. They can be found just about anywhere.

And on that note, it isn't really his work. He just repeats the standard creationist arguments.

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
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Dude
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Posted - 09/03/2006 :  01:52:35   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
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i used to be a believer in a combination of evolution/creationism/interventionism untill i saw


I suspect you are being dishonest.

Hovind (he is no Dr of anything, he just had a friend of his print him up a piece of paper that claims he is a Dr) is not capable of convincing anyone to believe his claims. You have to already be predisposed to magical thinking and biased against observable reality for his "lectures" to do anything but cause you intense pain.


Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

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Ricky
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Posted - 09/03/2006 :  13:59:01   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
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Hovind (he is no Dr of anything, he just had a friend of his print him up a piece of paper that claims he is a Dr) is not capable of convincing anyone to believe his claims. You have to already be predisposed to magical thinking and biased against observable reality for his "lectures" to do anything but cause you intense pain.


I think this is wrong, Dude. If one has very little knowledge of science and the way that science works, Hovind's arguments can be very convincing.

Many people go with the flow when it comes to science. They don't understand how or why it works, nor how knowlegde has come to be, but they just accept it at face value because some scientist says it. To them, Hovind's arguments may just seem like common sense.

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
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