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HalfMooner
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Posted - 06/07/2006 :  13:48:22  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message
An AP story carried by CNN.com says this (and more):
quote:
Fossil mounds may be oldest life on Earth

Wednesday, June 7, 2006; Posted: 1:09 p.m. EDT (17:09 GMT)

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Odd-shaped mounds of dirt in Australia turn out to be fossils of the oldest life on Earth, created by billions of microbes more than 3 billion years ago, scientists say in a new report.

And these mounds are exactly the type of life astrobiologists are looking for on Mars and elsewhere.

A study published Thursday in the journal Nature gives the strongest evidence yet that the mounds dotting a large swath of western Australia are Earth's oldest fossils. The theory is that these are not merely dirt piles that formed randomly into odd shapes, but that ancient microbes burrowed in and built them.

"This is the pointy end of the fossil record; this is the first really compelling record," said study lead author Abigail Allwood, a researcher at the Australian Center for Astrobiology. "It's an ancestor of life. If you think that all life arose on this one planet, perhaps this is where it started."

The mounds come in different shapes -- like egg cartons, swirls of frosting on cupcakes or waves on the ocean. They are called stromatolites and have been studied for a long time, but the big question has been if they were once teeming with life.

Allwood's research, which included examining thousands of the mounds and grouping them into seven subtypes, is the most comprehensive and compelling yet to say the answer is yes, according to a top expert not on her team.

"It is the best bet for the best evidence of the oldest life on Earth," said Bruce Runnegar, director of the NASA Astrobiology Institute in Moffett Field, California "These are too complicated to be attributed to non-biological processes -- but we don't know that for a fact."

Allwood said her study made the case for life solidly by looking at how the stromatolites fit with the rock formations around them, with each other, and what would have been happening on Earth at that time. One of the clinchers was putting them in seven repeating subtypes, which indicates they weren't random.

"It's just the sheer abundance of material and to be able to put it all in context," Allwood said.

Runnegar who has examined the mounds in western Australian several times said the first time he saw them -- some of which jut out from hills at eye-level -- he experienced an otherworldly feeling.

. . .





Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 06/07/2006 :  16:18:43   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
Stromatolites have long been considered as evidence for (one of) the first life Earth. This new paper adds to the pile of evidence and corroborate evidence already gathered. The case for bacterial life around 3.5M to 3.8M years ago grows even stronger.

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HalfMooner
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Posted - 06/07/2006 :  16:27:39   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message
And no mention of bunny fossils mixed in with the stromatolites, thus far.


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beskeptigal
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USA
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Posted - 06/08/2006 :  09:05:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send beskeptigal a Private Message
bunny fossils?
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filthy
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USA
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Posted - 06/08/2006 :  09:14:52   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by beskeptigal

bunny fossils?

You've never heard of the Precambrian Bunny? *tsk*

It is the most bestest certain debunker of the lie of evolution ever. Oh yes, and as soon as we find it, all of you hell-bound worshipers of Satan and his demon angel Darwin will be eating your putrid livers!

The PB'll lay a theological smackdown on you like Batista on Nunzio! We'll have to pick you up with a sponge and clean the pavement with some industrial-strength gosple to make it fit to walk on again.




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Edited by - filthy on 06/08/2006 09:31:00
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/08/2006 :  09:34:08   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
I still think "Devonian Bunny" has a better ring to it, though in the context of the AP article, we're talking about the "Archeozoic Bunny."

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filthy
SFN Die Hard

USA
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Posted - 06/08/2006 :  10:56:00   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.

I still think "Devonian Bunny" has a better ring to it, though in the context of the AP article, we're talking about the "Archeozoic Bunny."

Yes. Wasn't thinking....

The 'Devonian Bunny' does indeed, sound much better and is one stumbling block that not even Ken Ham nor Hovind the Hoot can prevaricate their way around.






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HalfMooner
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Philippines
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Posted - 06/08/2006 :  19:16:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message
A bunny fossil, be it Devonian, Precambrian, Archeozoic or even Jurassic, would leave Evolution screwing the pooch. Just one such bunny fossil, bring it on!


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Starman
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Sweden
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Posted - 06/09/2006 :  00:45:49   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Starman a Private Message
Tst, tst...

The high priests of the atheistic cult of evolution would just invent some bunny that evolved a time travel gene and then they will start faking fossils.

They do such things all the time. Its pretty obvious if you are open minded.

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