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filthy
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I am often amazed at the lengths gone to by various organizations to support the unsupportable. Here's one from AiG: quote:
Feedback for the week of June 26, 2006
How does man's history fit with the biblical timeline?
I was just curious. We as creationists believe that God created the world roughly 6,000 years ago and that the flood of Noah was about 4400 years ago. Here's my question. How do we fit man's history in there? I mean, the pyramids at Giza are said to be 4500 years old, meaning they were built before the Flood. Obviously, the Flood would have destroyed them. How do we fit the amazing advances of man that are date before the Flood that should have been wiped out (like the Pyramids). Can the Egyptian history fit into 6,000 years. Secular scientists say it goes back 20,000 years. I of course reject this. But what's the deal?
K.S.
USA
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Hi K.S.,
This can be resolved easily. But for the sake of the readers, I am going to take this step-by-step to show how to analyze this type of argument and respond in the future.
Ultimately, here is what is comes down to: trust man or trust God. I know you've heard us say this many times but let me explain it with respect to this question. Let's look at the two proposed approximate timelines of history.
It continues with "words and music signifying nothing." As usual, they try to make their point by claiming the inaccuratcy of the scientific method and putting forth little of any substance of their own. The timelines are kind'a neat, though.
Reamarkable, isn't it? K.S., by his own admission, has been presented with data produced by sound science, but, while questioning is certainly proper, he prefers answers with no evidential support whatsoever. All he requires is that the answers fit his preconcieved notions. He is not looking for any solution, but support from kindred spirits.
Jesus wept.... 
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pleco
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 Posted - 07/01/2006 : 06:46:49 [Permalink]
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| Why would a flood have necessarilly erased the pyramids? I'm surprised a YEC hassn't proposed the flood being responsible for the rhinoplasty performed on the Sphinx. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 07/01/2006 : 09:52:23 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by pleco
Why would a flood have necessarilly erased the pyramids? I'm surprised a YEC hassn't proposed the flood being responsible for the rhinoplasty performed on the Sphinx.
It's one of the warts one gets in the bargain when he buys the whole hog, isn't it?
But it's all perfectly reasonable if you look at it just so. If the Flood were capable of destroying the Pyramids, and they are still in existence, then by logic they are either younger than 4,400 years or, there was no Flood. And as it remains open to speculation whether such an event actually could dismantle such a structure, the apologist must insist that indeed, it not only could but would.
We have been told to the point calloused ear drums that there was a Flood 'cause the Bible says there was a Flood, and therefore the Pyramids are less than 4-&-change thousand years of age, and the Bible is correct in that and all other matters, so let's just get those doubts of out of your mind. And then the heretical thought is banished forever in a cloud of misinformation and general science-bashing.
How did the Sphinx get it's profile altered into the norm for waterfront saloon keepers, anyway? I seem to recall a story that it happened in WW the Deuce, but I'm not at all sure.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 07/02/2006 : 15:42:17 [Permalink]
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How did the Sphinx get it's profile altered into the norm for waterfront saloon keepers, anyway? I seem to recall a story that it happened in WW the Deuce, but I'm not at all sure.
It was used for target practice by some assholes. They shot the shit out of it.
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Dave W.
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 07/02/2006 : 17:32:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
The Sphinx had no nose in 1737. The vandalism is thought to have taken place in 1378, but nobody really nose for sure.
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Dave W.
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 07/02/2006 : 18:16:11 [Permalink]
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Ugh. It's so frustrating dealing with these people. Amazingly, the writer-- "K.S." is aware of the data and is simply looking for some quick-and-dirty answer to make him sleep easier at night.
I followed some of the links and came to their discussion of chronology. They use some Classical writers (well known for their veracity) to argue that Babylon was founded in 2234. This is all well and good, but since we have documents that clearly date before this-- even in relative terms-- that display characteristics of multiple languages, then Yahweh's clever ploy of creating multiple languages must date before Babylon. Which is, of course, impossible. So where does that leave the AiG people? Trusting Yahweh, of course. So the data are wrong and their loony biblical interpretation is correct. Hooray! |
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Hawks
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Canada
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Posted - 07/02/2006 : 19:26:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
I followed some of the links and came to their discussion of chronology. They use some Classical writers (well known for their veracity) to argue that Babylon was founded in 2234.
Amazing what you can argue when you can put past events in the future... |
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Zebra
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Posted - 07/03/2006 : 23:55:51 [Permalink]
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"I of course reject this" - right before his mewing plea for an answer that fits. Sweet. I gotta remember that one, might come in handy someday.
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