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marfknox
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Posted - 07/20/2006 :  08:30:41  Show Profile  Visit marfknox's Homepage  Send marfknox an AOL message Send marfknox a Private Message
New York Times article reports on a study that shows that people living in poor urban areas are actually paying more because of it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/19/us/19poor.html?ex=1153972800&en=a51a2b63dbdae205&ei=5070&emc=eta1

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WASHINGTON, July 18 — Drivers from low-income neighborhoods of New York, Hartford and Baltimore, insuring identical cars and with the same driving records as those from middle-class neighborhoods, paid $400 more on average for a year's insurance.

The poor are also the main customers for appliances and furniture at “rent to own” stores, where payments are stretched out at very high interest rates; in Wisconsin, a $200 television can end up costing $700.

Those were just two examples among several cited in a report Tuesday showing that poor urban residents frequently pay hundreds if not thousands of dollars a year in extra costs for everyday necessities. The study said some of the disparities were due to real differences in the cost of doing business in poor areas, some to predatory financial practices and some to consumer ignorance.

This doesn't surprise me at all. Last year we moved into a lower income neighborhood to save money, and while we have saved money on rent, we've paid for it in other ways. The grocery stores are a lot farther away so I'm wasting time and gas where before I could walk if I wanted to. The cheapter and faster Internet doesn't reach to this part of the city yet. And in general, services are suckier which ends up requiring more driving or wasted time. And we've had packages stolen off our front stoop. Fortunately the car insurance thing doesn't touch me since the car is in my dad's name and registered in Ohio. Otherwise my car insurance would be at least four times what it is currently.

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beskeptigal
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Posted - 07/20/2006 :  11:06:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send beskeptigal a Private Message
A long time ago, my boyfriend (at the time) wrote a paper looking at the prices of the area Safeway stores. Prices were consistently higher in the lower income neighborhoods. He speculated it was because they either couldn't or didn't go further from home for more competitive prices.

And someone just told me a day or so ago, while shopping for car insurance they were asked to agree to a credit check before a rate quote.
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Paulos23
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Posted - 07/20/2006 :  12:02:00   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Paulos23's Homepage Send Paulos23 a Private Message
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Originally posted by beskeptigal

And someone just told me a day or so ago, while shopping for car insurance they were asked to agree to a credit check before a rate quote.



That is very common now, and lots of insurance companies use it to help figuer premium or if your a good risk at all. Mind you that is only one is a few indicators they look at. In general insurance companies have found bad credit score = bad risk. It is posible to be low income and have an ok credit score, but it is not easy.

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R.Wreck
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Posted - 07/21/2006 :  14:21:46   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send R.Wreck a Private Message
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Originally posted by beskeptigal

And someone just told me a day or so ago, while shopping for car insurance they were asked to agree to a credit check before a rate quote.

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That is very common now, and lots of insurance companies use it to help figuer premium or if your a good risk at all. Mind you that is only one is a few indicators they look at. In general insurance companies have found bad credit score = bad risk. It is posible to be low income and have an ok credit score, but it is not easy.


Consumer Reports recently investigated the link between credit scores and insurance rates.

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Everyone knows that if you hit another car, your auto insurer will probably raise your premiums. But you may not know this: Your premiums can shoot up much higher if you run into a new breed of credit score used by insurers, even if you have a spotless driving record and never had an at-fault car accident.

Known as credit-based insurance scores, these numbers are computed from bill-paying and loan data collected by the major credit bureaus. In recent years, the scores have become as important in determining your annual premium as your driving record and the neighborhood where you live.

An analysis by Consumer Reports found that scoring could cost many consumers hundreds of extra dollars. Here's a typical example of how scores can hurt: a 28-year-old single male from Orlando, Fla., with a clean driving record and no accidents would normally pay State Farm Mutual $1,251 a year for a new policy. With one at-fault accident, his premium would rise to $1,447. If the same driver instead fell into the lowest ranking in State Farm's credit-scoring system, however, his premium would shoot up to $2,600.

Even a driver with a great credit score whom lenders would normally bless with a low-interest mortgage could wind up with a less favorable insurance score and thus a high premium. That's because formulations for insurance scores weigh credit data differently from traditional lender scores. Indeed, insurance scores can penalize consumers who use credit reasonably. For instance, Progressive Auto Pro's Financial Responsibility Score will give premium-boosting black marks to a customer whose credit-bureau information says he opened three credit accounts within the previous year, including one credit card in the previous four months, and then made two or more additional loan inquiries without accepting the credit.

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