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Dave W.
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 Posted - 09/29/2006 : 09:30:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Original_Intent
There is nothing to re-write. "Freedom of exercise" is part of it, and just as Congress cannot pass laws respecting the establishment, they cannot restrict.
Except we have all sorts of laws which restrict people's free exercise of religion. Human sacrifice is illegal. Just like "freedom of speech," the freedom to exercise one's religion has limits. None of our freedoms are absolute, since otherwise walking into the Capitol building with a loaded handgun wouldn't raise an eyebrow.
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Original_Intent
SFN Regular
USA
609 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2006 : 19:53:52 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
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Originally posted by Original_Intent
There is nothing to re-write. "Freedom of exercise" is part of it, and just as Congress cannot pass laws respecting the establishment, they cannot restrict.
Except we have all sorts of laws which restrict people's free exercise of religion. Human sacrifice is illegal. Just like "freedom of speech," the freedom to exercise one's religion has limits. None of our freedoms are absolute, since otherwise walking into the Capitol building with a loaded handgun wouldn't raise an eyebrow.
Picking at words... Can't yell fire in a movie theater... trash the first amendment all the way around.....
The point I am trying to make is there is nothing wrong with a religious view in Congress, as long as those views are not legislated illegally. Can religious whackos scare us... Yes.... but they don't scare me anymore then the non-religious ones, or the ones with professed religion. The chcks and balances are there, and the use must be enforced.
If the majority in Congres want a law for any reason, as long as it psses muster, then it becomes a law. If they all want to say that you can't wear black shoes on Friday, then it would be a law. Of course the ACLU would sue, saying that shoes were a form of speach... but that is another matter. For a lot of things, majority rules. For the big things it takes a bit more.
Our founders were truely a great mix. Diests, non-diests, Christians, Creationists, evolutionists...... If they did not encourage religion, they did not discourage it. One of the first things Washington did ater his address was appoint a chaplin.... Sure Adams was an atheist, but did he say anything? Not that has been recorded. I believe they still have a house chaplin.......
An interesting read.
Intent is everything, and the only thing.
Peace
Joe
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/30/2006 : 12:58:22 [Permalink]
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OI, you should be concerned, not because these guys are fundie Christians, but because they are involved in a concerted effort to reconstruct the government to suit their particular beliefs. And, more importantly, because they are making considerable progress.
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/30/2006 : 13:07:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Original_Intent
Our founders were truely a great mix. Diests, non-diests, Christians, Creationists, evolutionists......
OI, I highly doubt any of America's founding fathers were "evolutionists" as the theory of evolution had yet to be conceived.
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Original_Intent
SFN Regular
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Posted - 09/30/2006 : 15:40:40 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
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Originally posted by Original_Intent
Our founders were truely a great mix. Diests, non-diests, Christians, Creationists, evolutionists......
OI, I highly doubt any of America's founding fathers were "evolutionists" as the theory of evolution had yet to be conceived.
The idea of evolution has it's roots in ancient Greece and was taught by the early Christian church. This is the evolution I was talking about.
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/30/2006 : 15:47:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Original_Intent
The idea of evolution has it's roots in ancient Greece and was taught by the early Christian church. This is the evolution I was talking about.
Peace
Joe
Oh, studiers of that philosophy referred to themselves as evolutionists, did they? And since you juxtaposed the term with creationist, did they also differentiate themselves from those who believed in biblical creationism? I must plead ignorance on this topic. I was unaware that the early christian church taught any form of evolution.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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Original_Intent
SFN Regular
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Posted - 09/30/2006 : 15:50:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
OI, you should be concerned, not because these guys are fundie Christians, but because they are involved in a concerted effort to reconstruct the government to suit their particular beliefs. And, more importantly, because they are making considerable progress.
If they are able to reconstruct the government within the laws, that dosen't concern me because it was done correctly, and because I really don't think it will be any worse then the idiotic state we have been living in:
Where scumbags are fed and poor people go hungry.
Where people who don't work 'cause they won't work drive cars, watch cable TV and eat, while people who do work ride a bus and wonder when they will get a chance to watch TV.
When child A is distracted and can't learn because child B won't shut the hell up, quit picking fights, and being an all around nusciance.
When people spend 5-10 years being fed by a g-tube, or on a vent, and are vegative or near vegative, and there is no money for a chld to have a proven, if still expermintal, shot at a real life.
When JoJo is doing 10 years for 3 ounces of weed, and Ricky get's out after 5 for raping people.
The current way of doing things has not worked. It's just another group that probably won't address the problems corectly and will be out office themselves soon enough.
The amaendments I would like to see is one where you have to earn your citizneship, where penal colonies are not cruel and unusual, and indentured servitude was allowed.
Peace
Joe
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Original_Intent
SFN Regular
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Posted - 09/30/2006 : 16:29:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
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Originally posted by Original_Intent
The idea of evolution has it's roots in ancient Greece and was taught by the early Christian church. This is the evolution I was talking about.
Peace
Joe
Oh, studiers of that philosophy referred to themselves as evolutionists, did they? And since you juxtaposed the term with creationist, did they also differentiate themselves from those who believed in biblical creationism? I must plead ignorance on this topic. I was unaware that the early christian church taught any form of evolution.
I have no idea if they called themselves evolutionists or some other term. They all did not beleive in creationism. I did use it to show the contrast and the diversity of the beliefs.
The majority were diests. However, many of them, believed little of the history of what was told and re-told before being written and re-written, translated, and re-translated from a translation.......
Some did not like the history of the church, and spoke against the history... but even some of those who spoke out against it's history acknowledged the good in Christianity.
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/30/2006 : 21:32:39 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Original_Intent
...If they are able to reconstruct the government within the laws, that dosen't concern me because it was done correctly,...
History is full of examples where "laws" were not followed and we are going through the same thing right at this time.
And people must be vigilant or there will be others taking advantage of the opportunities that present themselves.
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Original_Intent
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 10/01/2006 : 07:10:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
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Originally posted by Original_Intent
...If they are able to reconstruct the government within the laws, that dosen't concern me because it was done correctly,...
History is full of examples where "laws" were not followed and we are going through the same thing right at this time.
And people must be vigilant or there will be others taking advantage of the opportunities that present themselves.
AMEN! "No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in its preservation." -- General Douglas MacArthur-
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