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Ghost_Skeptic
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 Posted - 09/16/2006 : 23:45:08
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This from George Bush's rant against those Republicans (Mcain, Powell, Warner etc) whose moral compasses have not been completely demagnetized.
Speaking about Colin Powell's objections to torturing terrorism suspects into telling what the suspects think the interrogators want to hear.
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Bush bristled at the criticism from his former top diplomat yesterday, calling it "flawed logic" and accusing Powell of equating U.S. tactics with those of terrorists, even though Powell's letter made no such comparison. "It's unacceptable to think that there's any kind of comparison between the behavior of the United States of America and the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children," Bush said.
The effect was rather hilarious or perhaps sinster since there was a long pause after "It's unacceptable to think" - perhaps his true colours are showing through. This has to be heard to be believed.
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Original_Intent
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Posted - 09/17/2006 : 06:21:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ghost_Skeptic
This from George Bush's rant against those Republicans (Mcain, Powell, Warner etc) whose moral compasses have not been completely demagnetized.
Speaking about Colin Powell's objections to torturing terrorism suspects into telling what the suspects think the interrogators want to hear.
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Bush bristled at the criticism from his former top diplomat yesterday, calling it "flawed logic" and accusing Powell of equating U.S. tactics with those of terrorists, even though Powell's letter made no such comparison. "It's unacceptable to think that there's any kind of comparison between the behavior of the United States of America and the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children," Bush said.
The effect was rather hilarious or perhaps sinster since there was a long pause after "It's unacceptable to think" - perhaps his true colours are showing through. This has to be heard to be believed.
Please correct me if my interpretation is off:
War-crimes are tried in the ICJ which we are not a party to. Therefore, the worry about the commanders being called up on war-crimes is moot.
Although not a fan of "humane war" or anything approaching it, prisoners are no longer a threat, and need to be re-humanized.
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/17/2006 : 13:41:16 [Permalink]
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War-crimes are tried in the ICJ which we are not a party to. Therefore, the worry about the commanders being called up on war-crimes is moot.
Not entirely correct.
The Geneva Conventions are US federal law, as are all ratified treaties.
You break them, as a US citizen, and you are in violation of federal law, with all the consequences.
The laws of land warfare, IIRC, are a part of that package as well.
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/18/2006 : 01:24:01 [Permalink]
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I was under the impression this recent court case spurred some of this action.
Bush Fears War Crimes Prosecution and Impeachment
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He was referring to Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, in which the high court recently held that Bush's military commissions did not comply with the law. Bush sought to try prisoners in commissions they could not attend with evidence they never see, including hearsay and evidence obtained by coercion.
The Court also determined that Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions applies to al Qaeda detainees. That provision of Geneva prohibits "outrages upon personal dignity" and "humiliating and degrading treatment."
Bush called on Congress to define these "vague and undefined" terms in Common Article 3 because "our military and intelligence personnel" involved in capture and interrogation "could now be at risk of prosecution under the War Crimes Act."
Wouldn't it be nice?
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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Posted - 09/18/2006 : 05:02:46 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Original_Intent
quote:
Originally posted by Ghost_Skeptic
This from George Bush's rant against those Republicans (Mcain, Powell, Warner etc) whose moral compasses have not been completely demagnetized.
Speaking about Colin Powell's objections to torturing terrorism suspects into telling what the suspects think the interrogators want to hear.
quote:
Bush bristled at the criticism from his former top diplomat yesterday, calling it "flawed logic" and accusing Powell of equating U.S. tactics with those of terrorists, even though Powell's letter made no such comparison. "It's unacceptable to think that there's any kind of comparison between the behavior of the United States of America and the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children," Bush said.
The effect was rather hilarious or perhaps sinster since there was a long pause after "It's unacceptable to think" - perhaps his true colours are showing through. This has to be heard to be believed.
Please correct me if my interpretation is off:
War-crimes are tried in the ICJ which we are not a party to. Therefore, the worry about the commanders being called up on war-crimes is moot.
Although not a fan of "humane war" or anything approaching it, prisoners are no longer a threat, and need to be re-humanized.
Peace
Joe
The Geneva Convention of 1946 is codified in both the laws of the US and in the UCMJ. So are the other treaties concerning the treatment of prisoners of war/foreign criminal detainees.
The commanders have a serious problem and so do the intelligence operatives. That he acknowledges that they face the threat of war crimes prosecution is downright frightening. |
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Ghost_Skeptic
SFN Regular
Canada
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Posted - 09/18/2006 : 05:34:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
The Geneva Convention of 1946 is codified in both the laws of the US and in the UCMJ. So are the other treaties concerning the treatment of prisoners of war/foreign criminal detainees.
The commanders have a serious problem and so do the intelligence operatives. That he acknowledges that they face the threat of war crimes prosecution is downright frightening.
What was also frightening was Bush being almots incoherent with rage - he appears to be more and more insane. |
"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. / You can send a kid to college but you can't make him think." - B.B. King
History is made by stupid people - The Arrogant Worms
"The greater the ignorance the greater the dogmatism." - William Osler
"Religion is the natural home of the psychopath" - Pat Condell
"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter" - Thomas Jefferson |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/19/2006 : 02:45:54 [Permalink]
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Olberman comments on Bush's little tantrum.
Olberman, once again, speaks with clarity on the issue.
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-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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Ghost_Skeptic
SFN Regular
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Posted - 09/19/2006 : 23:55:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Olberman comments on Bush's little tantrum.
Olberman, once again, speaks with clarity on the issue.
I am glad somebody picked up the It's unacceptable to think... remark. I hope this shows up on You Tube soon. |
"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. / You can send a kid to college but you can't make him think." - B.B. King
History is made by stupid people - The Arrogant Worms
"The greater the ignorance the greater the dogmatism." - William Osler
"Religion is the natural home of the psychopath" - Pat Condell
"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter" - Thomas Jefferson |
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