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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 01/09/2007 :  10:57:34  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message
Supermassive blackhole found in small cluster...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6244323.stm

I betcha theres far more rogue small black holes then previously thought as well.

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini

beskeptigal
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Posted - 01/09/2007 :  17:56:43   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send beskeptigal a Private Message
Did you not hear, they found some of the dark matter. But there are also more black holes being found as well. These guys are always saving up the discoveries for these astronomy conferences.

Edited by - beskeptigal on 01/09/2007 17:57:01
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 01/10/2007 :  12:38:35   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message
Right, but they havent IDed what it is, just its mass signiture. Ive always felt it was some form of normal matter that was just not emitting/reflecing enough energy.

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
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Vegeta
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/13/2007 :  03:13:26   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Vegeta a Private Message
Why's that mean more missing mass? Isn't it supermassive? Forgive my ignorance

What are you looking at? Haven't you ever seen a pink shirt before?

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Boron10
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Posted - 01/13/2007 :  10:31:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Boron10 a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Vegeta:
Why's that mean more missing mass? Isn't it supermassive? Forgive my ignorance
I'm not sure I understand your question. This black hole is a member of the largest (most massive) class of black holes in the universe, so it is "supermassive."

Why is this news? (Rhetorical question, answered below)

The galaxy in which this black hole was found is very small; in fact, in all prior examples large black holes in small galaxies get ejected right away. They don't stick around. In this galaxy, however, the black hole seems to be pretty well-situated. His neighbors seem to like him there. Since this was not previously accounted for, it is a considerable amount of mass that was missing from current models of the universe; thus, "missing mass."
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Vegeta
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/13/2007 :  11:41:05   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Vegeta a Private Message
ahhh, sorry, i misunderstood. I thought you were saying there is more mass missing, not that more missing mass had been found.

What are you looking at? Haven't you ever seen a pink shirt before?

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tomk80
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Netherlands
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Posted - 01/13/2007 :  12:28:17   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit tomk80's Homepage Send tomk80 a Private Message
posted in wrong thread

Tom

`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
-Through the Looking Glass by Lewis Caroll-
Edited by - tomk80 on 01/13/2007 12:48:04
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 01/13/2007 :  13:22:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message
The cool thing about all this is that it's confirming the wisdom of standard Big Bang cosmology. (Take that, fundamentalists!) To account for the observed speed of universal expansion, astrophysicists have thought for a number of decades that there should be far more mass than had been observed in the universe. It's been very elusive, but almost overnight we're finding indications of much of that "missing" mass that had been theorized, but unobserved.

I'm with BigPapaSmurf: I, too, suspect the missing mass will be accounted for as normal matter and black holes.


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 01/16/2007 :  07:23:12   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message
Heres even more mass found this week.

Surprise, this weeks missing mass is the 8 new Dwarf Galaxies that were just found orbiting our own. Considering that the survey only did 20% of the sky it is safe to say that close to 40 previously unknown dwarfs may be dancing with the milky way. Also these are the least luminous galaxies ever dectected.

I will say however that this missing mass was expected in the models so it was known but undectectable.

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
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