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MuhammedGoldstein
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Originally posted by Simon
So; you disagree with the definition of phenotype I used?
Ok. But I did not pull it from my rectal area, you know? It is actually the accepted definition for the term. As stated several times in this thread.
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you used a skewed interpretation, Simon, influenced by what you think you know. I accepted EVERY SINGLE definition prese3nted to me, and NONE rule out a non-genetically related phenotypic difference. NONE.
I'm pretty sure you may be able to find some though, because this is a VERY prevalent belief. Very.
You think they say what you say they do, but they don't , actually !
You override the actual words with your own, and say what it "means" , to you.
that's cool, I have no argument with anyone who chooses to bleieve that way. Now that the arguing is done, I have no problem with bleevers in that way of thinking
I beleived it too, though now that I think back, I wasn't taught that bullshit in school. I was taught properly, but I let it degrade into bleef.
It crept up on me in the last 30 years or so..I do commiserate with those who cannot break the pattern. |
It does mention phenotype, just without using the word "phenotype."... DAVEW |
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MuhammedGoldstein
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Posted - 06/13/2008 : 14:58:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
Yidishn Zabourah Goldstein.....
Well, congratulations on your Davidian victory. It looks like the Goliath of Skepticism has surely been vanquished, and it serves us right! Somehow, I don't think we've heard the end yet, tho'!
You said.....| Buck, I think that it shaped the foundations. As shown, it was the intent from the start, to use phenotype to investigate genetics. |
Well, that pretty well answers half of my question. But.....| Please see the video I posted relating to epigenetics. I'll try and bring it , near THE END. |
...I am puzzled! Have you already posted the video? If so, verse and chapter in the foregoing literary epic please. It might take me a week to find! If not, what does THE END mean?
And I still don't understand the implications of haircut as phenotypic difference on the conclusions of the science of Biology? Does your video clarify this?
Oh yeah, the "tips" quip? Sorry, I'm pushing eighty and every day another half-million neurons congeal into concrete and I just get stupider by the minute. I missed that one! ??
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thank you so much. You are an honest gentleman.
It takes the sting out of all the insults, just one pleasant word.
I'll get the video right now. Sorry. |
It does mention phenotype, just without using the word "phenotype."... DAVEW |
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MuhammedGoldstein
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Simon
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Posted - 06/13/2008 : 15:12:19 [Permalink]
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| Phenotype: An identifiable characteristic of a cell or organism that can be altered by mutation. |
From Snyder and Champness.
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Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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bngbuck
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Posted - 06/13/2008 : 15:25:30 [Permalink]
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| thank you so much. You are an honest gentleman. |
I am truly embarassed! Blessed naïveté! |
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MuhammedGoldstein
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Posted - 06/13/2008 : 15:29:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
| thank you so much. You are an honest gentleman. |
I am truly embarassed! Blessed naïveté!
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hey, even friendly jabs are good fun ! |
It does mention phenotype, just without using the word "phenotype."... DAVEW |
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MuhammedGoldstein
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Posted - 06/13/2008 : 15:31:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Simon
| Phenotype: An identifiable characteristic of a cell or organism that can be altered by mutation. |
From Snyder and Champness.
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yes ? and that says to you, what ? that I cannot squish the cell and alter the characteristic ?
Can't feed it and grow it ?
Can't infect it with disease and alter the characteristic ?
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It does mention phenotype, just without using the word "phenotype."... DAVEW |
| Edited by - MuhammedGoldstein on 06/13/2008 16:08:40 |
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Simon
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Posted - 06/13/2008 : 16:22:52 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by MuhammedGoldstein
Originally posted by Simon
| Phenotype: An identifiable characteristic of a cell or organism that can be altered by mutation. |
From Snyder and Champness.
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yes ? and that says to you, what ? that I cannot squish the cell and alter the characteristic ?
Can't feed it and grow it ?
Can't infect it with disease and alter the characteristic ?
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Sure; but none of these being a mutations; the alteration to the cells would not be phenotypic. |
Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 06/13/2008 : 16:26:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
| thank you so much. You are an honest gentleman. |
I am truly embarassed! Blessed naïveté!
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I should not eat while reading posts. You almost killed me with that one Bill. Imagine coming all this way only to die by chocking on a baloney sandwich. Oh the irony...
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Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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MuhammedGoldstein
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Posted - 06/13/2008 : 16:28:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Simon
Originally posted by MuhammedGoldstein
Originally posted by Simon
| Phenotype: An identifiable characteristic of a cell or organism that can be altered by mutation. |
From Snyder and Champness.
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yes ? and that says to you, what ? that I cannot squish the cell and alter the characteristic ?
Can't feed it and grow it ?
Can't infect it with disease and alter the characteristic ?
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Sure; but none of these being a mutations; the alteration to the cells would not be phenotypic.
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let's start again. What do those words mean to you ? |
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MuhammedGoldstein
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Posted - 06/13/2008 : 16:43:56 [Permalink]
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It does mention phenotype, just without using the word "phenotype."... DAVEW |
| Edited by - MuhammedGoldstein on 06/13/2008 16:47:11 |
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Simon
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Posted - 06/13/2008 : 16:54:43 [Permalink]
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Sure; mutations are 'changes to the nucleotide sequence of the genetic material of an organism'.
Phenotypes are the characteristics that can 'be altered by mutations'. In other words; the characteristics that can be altered by an alteration in the genetic material.
In other words phenotypes are the characteristics that start as genetic informations. |
Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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MuhammedGoldstein
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Posted - 06/13/2008 : 17:00:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Simon
Sure; mutations are 'changes to the nucleotide sequence of the genetic material of an organism'.
Phenotypes are the characteristics that can 'be altered by mutations'. In other words; the characteristics that can be altered by an alteration in the genetic material.
In other words phenotypes are the characteristics that start as genetic informations.
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I can see how you get that, from this definition. I bet there are more like that too. |
It does mention phenotype, just without using the word "phenotype."... DAVEW |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 06/14/2008 : 09:02:34 [Permalink]
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| The only bad think about MG's banning is that we don't get to hear if the people at Berkeley every got back to him. Well, that and not knowing what the hell his whole point was. But we weren't getting that from him even when he was here... |
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Kil
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Posted - 06/14/2008 : 09:50:30 [Permalink]
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| Isn't it Berkley? Anyhow, I would say that after one and two thirds threads, with nothing at all productive achieved, and I am including entertainment, which ended after the first couple of pages, as a factor, the whole thing was a waste of bandwidth... |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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