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Coat Of Arms
Skeptic Friend

USA
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Posted - 08/04/2008 :  17:21:15  Show Profile Send Coat Of Arms a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Snopes says it's true.

Well, it appears our African-American friends have found yet something else to be pissed about. A black congresswoman (this would be Sheila Jackson Lee, of Houston ), reportedly complained that the names of hurricanes are all Caucasian sounding names.

She would prefer some names that reflect African-American=2 0culture such as Chamiqua, Tanisha, Woeisha, Shaqueal, and Jamal. I am NOT making this up!

She would also like the weather reports to be broadcast in 'language' that street people can understand because one of the problems that happened in New Orleans was, that black people couldn't understand the seriousness of the situation, due to the racially biased language of the weather report.

I guess if the weather person says that the winds are going to blow at 140+ MPH, that's too hard to understand!!

I can hear it now: A weatherman in New Orleans says...

Wazzup, mutha-fukkas! Hehr-i-cane Chamiqua be headin' fo' yo ass like Leroy on a crotch rocket!
Bitch be a category fo'! So, turn off dem chitlins, grab yo' chirren, leave yo crib, and head fo' de nearest FEMA office fo yo FREE shit.

How times change.

It's about 200 paces from the awning of Jackson Lee's Capitol Hill apartment to the marbled steps of the Cannon House Office Building, where her office is. Most people think the walk is a pleasant one. Red-brick townhouses give onto tree-lined streets; crossing guards ensure no one is run over. It's the kind of neighborhood where you might expect to find the Republican party's headquarters--and do. They're right next door to Jackson Lee's building. In a city that consistently ranks among the nation's worst for commuting, Jackson Lee would seem to have it made.

But apparently it's not convenient enough. Jackson Lee is routinely chauffeured the one short block to work--in a government car, by a member of her staff, at the taxpayers' expense. And apparently in violation of House rules. Complete story. http://www.weeklystandard.com/Utilities/printer_preview.asp?idArticle=867&R=EB8D54EF

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Ricky
SFN Die Hard

USA
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Posted - 08/04/2008 :  17:43:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The snopes article tells the full version of the story. I personally don't find anything too unreasonable about it, so long as she isn't pursuing legislation over this.

It says nothing about the "street people" language, however. I would like to hear some clear examples that would confuse a person based on racially biased phrasing.

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Kil
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Posted - 08/04/2008 :  18:35:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, really, I couldn't care less what hurricanes are named. But I can't see any reason not to give some of them names that are reflective of something other than white Anglo-Saxon culture. Why anyone would push to be included on such a list I have no idea. The women pushed and now there is a mans name on every other hurricane. That one I understand.

But hey, the quote is racist.

The Weekly Standard, the source for the other story, is a neocon magazine. I wonder how hard they worked to find similar offenses by white Republicans serving in office? Does anyone believe that the abuse of power on her level compares with the abuses of power by the current Republican administration?

I'm not saying it shouldn't be reported, but hey...

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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist

USA
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Posted - 08/04/2008 :  19:23:29   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Cuneiformist a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Eh. I disagree with the premise. Look at the list of names. Ernesto? Chantal? Lorenzo? Pablo? Philippe? Nothing says WASP like Gustav. Or Cristobal. Oh... wait.

So I guess one could argue that the names aren't "African-American" enough, but what names should be included? Can someone really draw up a "representative" list?

And what does all of this say about African-Americans who have names that are on the list? Are they not "ethnic" enough? For instance, there's the name Colin. Which-- in case you didn't know-- was the first name of a certain African-American (or at least, Jamaican-American) Secretary of State.

Sean-- another hurricane name on the list-- is the first name of a well known musical artist.

I guess these don't count?

Seems like a pretty lame complaint

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Kil
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USA
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Posted - 08/04/2008 :  20:13:19   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ah, I didn't look at the list. I suppose should have said white rather than Anglo-Saxon. And even then, I see your point.

I still couldn't care less about what hurricanes are named...

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Why not question something for a change?

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Dave W.
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Posted - 08/04/2008 :  20:14:57   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
From Cune's first link:
Since 1953, Atlantic tropical storms have been named from lists originated by the National Hurricane Center. They are now maintained and updated by an international committee of the World Meteorological Organization.
Good luck passing U.S. legislation to unilaterally change the names.

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bngbuck
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USA
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Posted - 08/05/2008 :  00:35:40   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send bngbuck a Private Message  Reply with Quote
If this isn't the damndest circling of the wagons on an issue of Political Correctness, I've never seen one! Like what fucking difference does the name of a god damn Hurricane make? Really!

Can't we all just get together and get concerned about something that is really worth getting concerned about? Black, white, green, alien, and undead? And you, too, Filthy!
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 08/05/2008 :  02:23:12   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
One would think that nobody would want their own name given to a colossal natural engine of mass killing, anyway. Imagine the way a girl in New Orleans name Karina would be treated by schoolmates. Maybe hurricanes should be named for something else, like stars.

But both racists and the over-sensitive can make a mountain out of any molehill.


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Edited by - HalfMooner on 08/06/2008 21:58:56
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 08/05/2008 :  05:26:13   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think we should just call them all "The MAN!" Or name them after government types and historical leaders we demonize. "Hurricane National Socialism" Or "Tropical Storm KHAAAANNNN!!!"

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Rubicon95
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Posted - 08/05/2008 :  06:48:57   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Rubicon95 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It's PC and It's stupid.

You have probably seen this article.

Just think of the fun, meteorologists and video editors would have with Hurricane Khan.


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pleco
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Posted - 08/05/2008 :  06:56:46   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit pleco's Homepage Send pleco a Private Message  Reply with Quote
They should switch to mythology - like astronomers do with planets, etc.

I wonder when the day will come when we will have Hurricane/Plutoid Jesus?

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filthy
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Posted - 08/05/2008 :  07:18:24   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It's silly for sure, but whadda hell.....

I think they should be named by the same process that I select candidates for my signature. Use only the names of defunct but interesting people. Now, defunct, interesting people, with a few exceptions, are usually the foulest villians imaginable -- sorry 'bout that Goody Two-Shoes, you cheap, sanctimonous trollope. Can you imagine, for example, a Hurricane Gandi? Or Helen Keller?

No, no, such destructive force must be advertized as it is: Hurricane Jack the Ripper or better yet, Hurricane Vlad Tepes.

And there is the advantage of defunct men hiring no lawyers and the longer they've been defunct, the less likely their heirs will hire any.




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HalfMooner
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Philippines
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Posted - 08/05/2008 :  07:30:18   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I do want to correct something I wrote above:
But both racists and the over-sensitive can make a mountain out of any molehill.
First, it should have been, "overly-sensitive." But even that wasn't the word I was looking for. I don't think people can be overly-sensitive to actual racism. But people can be stupid, ignorant, paranoid, or just plain demagogic about anything.

And I think the term, "politically correct" is damned near worthless. Sometimes, it's used meaningfully, but it's been abused so often that it's more often merely a propagandistic catch-phrase. Racists and sexists especially abuse, and hide behind, the term.

It's far better to weigh the actual merits of an issue than to throw out generalized and weighted terms like "PC." Demanding "African-American" names for hurricanes, or getting upset for a non-racial use of "black hole" -- these are just plain stupid.


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Edited by - HalfMooner on 08/05/2008 07:41:21
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 08/05/2008 :  07:47:30   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey don't pass off Helen Keller as a goody-two-shoes, she was an enemy of President Wilson and the FBI had a massive file on her activities. And everyone knows if the U.S. government says someone is evil, it must be true.

"This is my country and I love it. I will not see a few excited shouters stampede it into war. War is the particular business of a few men. Some of the ablest press agents of the world are hired to promote preparedness. Peace is everybody's business, and no one attends to it. If we are at peace; we owe it to one man, President Wilson." -HK

Naturally he had to make her into a bad person for opposing our glorius war and supporting the vile concept of civil rights.

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
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Dr. Mabuse
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Sweden
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Posted - 08/05/2008 :  11:37:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by filthy
No, no, such destructive force must be advertized as it is: Hurricane Jack the Ripper or better yet, Hurricane Vlad Tepes.

And there is the advantage of defunct men hiring no lawyers and the longer they've been defunct, the less likely their heirs will hire any.

So, someone have some work to do before we can name hurricanes Bush, Cheney, DeLay, and Rove...
I wonder who'd be up for the task.




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Dave W.
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Posted - 08/05/2008 :  11:55:30   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by filthy

No, no, such destructive force must be advertized as it is: Hurricane Jack the Ripper or better yet, Hurricane Vlad Tepes.
Henry Rollins wanted to get rid of the word 'tornado' in favor of "the first four Black Sabbath albums." As in:
The first four Black Sabbath albums destroyed a small town in Oklahoma today.

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