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filthy
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I'll be damned, but I think they're getting dumber.... Zonkeys, Ligers, and Wolphins, Oh My!
by Dr. Georgia Purdom and Bodie Hodge, AiG–U.S.August 6, 2008
Although not exactly the same mantra that the travelers in the classic Wizard of Oz repeat, these names represent real life animals just the same. In fact, two of these strange sounding animals, a zonkey and a zorse, can now be seen at the new Creation Museum petting zoo. But what exactly are these animals and how did they come to be? Are they new species? Can the Bible explain such a thing?
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 | The study of created kinds is an exciting area of research, and our hope is to help encourage others to get involved. Whether studying the duck-goose kind, elephant-mammoth kind, camel-llama kind, apple-pear kind, or others, the field of baraminology is a great place for biologists, botanists, geneticists, and paleontologists (for extinct kinds) to get immersed in creation research. |
It is fortunate that such apologetic nonsence is not taken seriously by any but the willingly deluded. Unfortunate that it is taken seriously at all.
[Moved to the Creation/Evolution folder - Dave W.]
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
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Edited by - filthy on 08/06/2008 12:48:29
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Siberia
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Posted - 08/06/2008 : 15:54:46 [Permalink]
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Eh, the 'zonkey' and 'zorse' come to be from the very natural process of mating a zebra with a mare (or a donkey; don't know whether male or female). In fact, no more awesome than your average mule, albeit a tad bit more colorful, and equally sterile, so wtf are they ranting about?
Zorse foal is adorable, by the by.
[edit] Ah, I read the article. The old 'kind' lameness, nevermind the fact that zorses can't replicate without involving a zebra and a mare, as can't ligers or any other feline hybrids, afaik. How they populated the world when the results can't breed is a mystery to me.
I wonder if anyone tried to mate maned wolves to regular wolves?
Sad, really. |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
-- unknown
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 08/06/2008 : 17:14:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Siberia
Eh, the 'zonkey' and 'zorse' come to be from the very natural process of mating a zebra with a mare (or a donkey; don't know whether male or female). In fact, no more awesome than your average mule, albeit a tad bit more colorful, and equally sterile, so wtf are they ranting about?
Zorse foal is adorable, by the by.
[edit] Ah, I read the article. The old 'kind' lameness, nevermind the fact that zorses can't replicate without involving a zebra and a mare, as can't ligers or any other feline hybrids, afaik. How they populated the world when the results can't breed is a mystery to me.
I wonder if anyone tried to mate maned wolves to regular wolves?
Sad, really.
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In nature, hybrids are, if not common, at least far from unknown. I myself have found a hybrid rattlesnake: Crotalus h. horridus/Sistrurus c. catenatus -- timber rattlesnake/eastern masasssauga. Have no idea whether it was viable or not.
As for their chickens, they have ignored -- or were too lazy/ignorant to look it up -- species of grouse, notably those of the Great Plains. There are several, each species having it's own range. Once in a while, on the intergrade lines, a clutch of hybrids will be produced. These, when adult, have virtually no chance at breeding opportunities because, during the breeding season, the males of each species commands a territory. Within that territory, he performs a complicated and beautiful dance to impress the ladies. The cock hybrids will not breed because their dances are wrong for both species, and the same holds for the hybrid hens. Interesting, no?
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Siberia
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Brazil
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 Posted - 08/07/2008 : 05:18:56 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Originally posted by Siberia
Eh, the 'zonkey' and 'zorse' come to be from the very natural process of mating a zebra with a mare (or a donkey; don't know whether male or female). In fact, no more awesome than your average mule, albeit a tad bit more colorful, and equally sterile, so wtf are they ranting about?
Zorse foal is adorable, by the by.
[edit] Ah, I read the article. The old 'kind' lameness, nevermind the fact that zorses can't replicate without involving a zebra and a mare, as can't ligers or any other feline hybrids, afaik. How they populated the world when the results can't breed is a mystery to me.
I wonder if anyone tried to mate maned wolves to regular wolves?
Sad, really.
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In nature, hybrids are, if not common, at least far from unknown. I myself have found a hybrid rattlesnake: Crotalus h. horridus/Sistrurus c. catenatus -- timber rattlesnake/eastern masasssauga. Have no idea whether it was viable or not.
As for their chickens, they have ignored -- or were too lazy/ignorant to look it up -- species of grouse, notably those of the Great Plains. There are several, each species having it's own range. Once in a while, on the intergrade lines, a clutch of hybrids will be produced. These, when adult, have virtually no chance at breeding opportunities because, during the breeding season, the males of each species commands a territory. Within that territory, he performs a complicated and beautiful dance to impress the ladies. The cock hybrids will not breed because their dances are wrong for both species, and the same holds for the hybrid hens. Interesting, no?
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Quite! I've seen some breeding between different species of bird in some documentary, but it was long ago and I can't remember. I do remember the result hybrid was fertile but couldn't find mates because it was stuck between two types of attraction ritual, as to speak. One had something to do with a dance and the other with inflating that... air sac thing on the neck (alas, english fails me this fine winter morning). The hybrid couldn't do either properly, and failed.
I'd guess animals do as animals do; I do know some ligers (what a silly name) were born because lions had access to the tiger's cage while the zoo was cleaning. Nature ensued.
But those animals are quite far apart, environment-wise, at least nowadays. It takes humans to bring 'em together, tigers and lions. And with zebras and horses there is the size problem, too: usually the 'zorse' is born of a mare because horses are generally bigger and the mare can cope with a larger foal. Not sure if that is the only or even the real reason. And obviously, some mares may be too tall for the zebra stallion...
But that is such a silly argument for the 'kind' nonsense. I see it as what it is: speciation - and quite close at that, that they are not so disparate they can still interbreed.
I wonder: in their opinion, is there a 'fish kind'? Yes, 'chickens' breed with 'chickens', 'dogs' breed with 'dogs', sometimes outside the threshold of their species, but what about, say, dogs and foxes, dogs and maned wolves? Or are maned wolves and foxes not 'dogs', in their shallow opinion? They're still canines. How chicken does a chicken have to be to belong to the chicken kind?
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"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
-- unknown
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bngbuck
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Posted - 08/07/2008 : 13:55:02 [Permalink]
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Siberia.....
"Kind" is easily explained with respect to the Comfort crew and the AIG'ers. The proper definition is kind of stupid. "Baramin" is actually a corruption of baraman, my kind of politician, but I'm afraid not theirs. When they discover the real street meaning of the word, I'm sure they'll drop it like a hot created potato.| But that is such a silly argument for the 'kind' nonsense. I see it as what it is: speciation - |
Siberia, baby, it's speciousation; superficially beautiful stupid or attractive dumb but not so in reality : deceptively beautiful unbelievably ignorant!
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It is to laugh!
