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Dave W.
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Posted - 08/29/2008 : 09:46:05 [Permalink]
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| I could have sworn that McCain said that he was looking for someone who valued power over integrity. Can't wait to find the text of his intro online. |
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Simon
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Posted - 08/29/2008 : 09:46:22 [Permalink]
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That's a pretty smart move politic-wise I'd think.
(Unless she has some skeletons in her closet. She might not have been under the spotlights long enough for all of these to be exposed).
And, she is described as 'conservative Christian'. That is a good move to strengthen McCain which was weak with this segment of the electorate but, this electorate would already mostly have voted Republican anyway, and, depending how much of a conservative she is (never heard about her), she might scare the undecided moderates toward the Democrats.
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astropin
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 Posted - 08/29/2008 : 09:58:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Simon
And, she is described as 'conservative Christian'. That is a good move to strengthen McCain which was weak with this segment of the electorate but, this electorate would already mostly have voted Republican anyway, and, depending how much of a conservative she is (never heard about her), she might scare the undecided moderates toward the Democrats.
Elections are often won at the centre, in my experience.
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She "appears" to be a pretty staunch conservative. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 08/29/2008 : 10:07:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Simon
That's a pretty smart move politic-wise I'd think.
(Unless she has some skeletons in her closet. She might not have been under the spotlights long enough for all of these to be exposed).
And, she is described as 'conservative Christian'. That is a good move to strengthen McCain which was weak with this segment of the electorate but, this electorate would already mostly have voted Republican anyway, and, depending how much of a conservative she is (never heard about her), she might scare the undecided moderates toward the Democrats.
Elections are often won at the centre, in my experience.
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I think that's mostly true. Also, Americans are by and large pro-choice. And woman especially. And both of the republican candidates are on the recored as being against that position. So probably, there even goes most of the independent Hillary voters.
But again, the RR will be happy. |
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Simon
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Posted - 08/29/2008 : 10:25:29 [Permalink]
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Frickin' good for nothin' Republicans.
They choose somebody respectable.
I disagree with many of her positions (she is a cretintionist!) especially the most conservative ones. But she seems to be mostly a honest and sincere person (she voted against a law that'd discriminated against gays; for example).
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Robb
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Posted - 08/29/2008 : 10:58:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Also, after lots of attacks on Obama's lack of experiance, McCain chose a running mate who has even less experiance.
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She has more executive expierience than Obama. Governer for two years and ran a company before she entered politics. She has also stood up to the republican party for what she believes. |
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Robb
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Posted - 08/29/2008 : 11:15:25 [Permalink]
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New York Democratic Sen. Charles Schumer: “While Palin is a fine person, her lack of experience makes the thought of her assuming the presidency troubling. I particularly look forward to the Biden-Palin debate in Missouri.”
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Kil
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Posted - 08/29/2008 : 11:22:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
Originally posted by Kil
Also, after lots of attacks on Obama's lack of experiance, McCain chose a running mate who has even less experiance.
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She has more executive expierience than Obama. Governer for two years and ran a company before she entered politics. She has also stood up to the republican party for what she believes.
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Robb, I expect you to support McCain. I expect you to defend his choices. It was McCain who made experience an issue. If she has a little more than Obama, whatever. I think a case could be made that they are pretty much equal in that Obama was a state senator too and has been in politics, right out of the gate.
But really, I don't care. Again, this was a McCain issue. His campaign started it.
Edited to add: If I had been Schumer, I wouldn't have gone there. I would have been satisfied by pointing out that this takes the experience issue off the table.
Robb, do you really think that no one in your party is going to say something dumb in the next couple of months? Good luck on that...
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 08/29/2008 : 11:58:44 [Permalink]
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Apart from being under investagation for a little
typical, Republican chicanery, she looks like a fairly good, if tepid, choice.
"Palin currently being investigated for abuse of office
The Associated Press reports, "More recently, she has come under the scrutiny of an investigation by the Republican-controlled legislature into the possibility that she ordered the dismissal of Alaska's public safety commissioner because he would not fire her former brother-in-law as a state trooper."
The commissioner, Walt Monegan, was fired on July 11, because Palin "wanted to take the department in a new direction," according to Bloomberg. "Monegan than alleged that he had been pressured to fire state trooper Mike Wooten, who was married to Palin's sister and was involved in a contentious divorce, according to the Anchorage Daily News."
The Bloomberg story continues, "Palin has denied any wrongdoing. The state Legislature voted on July 28 to hire an independent investigator to probe whether Palin, her family or members of her administration had pressured Monegan to fire Wooten, according to the Daily News."
"Palin hasn't been implicated in the four-year-old federal corruption investigation, which has resulted in convictions of or guilty pleas from three state legislators, Murkowski's former chief of staff and two executives of an oil-services company, as well as the indictment of Senator Ted Stevens," Bloomberg's report concludes.
Last month a Democratic official told the Wall Street Journal that Palin was facing possible impeachment."
It reads more like a family quarrel writ large than anything else. We'll just have to wait & see.
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bngbuck
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Posted - 08/29/2008 : 12:06:19 [Permalink]
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Karl Rove pulled a desperation surprise out from under a clump of frozen conservative bias up in Alaska. Big, big gamble!
Totally Palin' in comparison to Hillary Clinton, Simpering Sarah.....
1. ... brings femininity to the ticket, one up on Obama!
2. But has ZERO foreign policy experience, three down!
3. ...Brings youth to the ticket. one up!
4. But mumbling McCain is 73, has cancer, and she's a heartbeat away from nimbly hopping over his dead body and falling flat on her baby face! Two down.
5 ... gave a pretty good PTA chirp in her first shot at a national microphone. One up.
6. But Biden will shred her to tatters, tears, and tantrums in St. Louis in October. Will be about five down!
7. ...Will somewhat assuage the certifiably insane Hillaryites who would instantly vote for a nannygoat, if that was the choice. Two up
8. But those Clintonocretins are a tiny minority of the electorate. Cancel above two up.
9. ... proves McCain is a "maverick" Two up for McCain
10. Webster: Maverick: a calf on the range that is unbranded and not following its mother
McCain has always struck me as an unsteady bag of bullshit that couldn't decide his political stripe and certainly has wandered away from the mother party, frequently into pastures of locoweed. Minus 4
Score negative 9 for McCain.
Besides, she give the Dems a virtual cancellation pass on the "inexperience" mantra recently massively launched by the rancid Rovians. To say nothing of ...."do you want this twittering housewife to be the one to stand up to Putin and Bin Laden if the eqivocating Janus Johnny drops dead?" You will also hear endless speculation over the significance of snowmobile expertise, a taste for Mooseburgers, and proficiency as a "hockey mom" as prerequisites for being the Presidential understudy.
Personally, I am delighted that McLame has chosen a maternal hockey puck as his back-up in policy and statesmanship. Dan Quale with a pigtail does it for me! |
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Simon
SFN Regular
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Posted - 08/29/2008 : 12:17:54 [Permalink]
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| From what I read of the Wikipedia article; I'd say she might have overstep for personal reasons but that the cop needed firing (tasering his 11 year old step-son? What the fuck?) and that Monegan was wrong in covering his ass. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 08/29/2008 : 13:06:07 [Permalink]
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We shall see. Here's a little more detail on the story: JUNEAU -- Alaska legislators on Monday voted to spend up to $100,000 to investigate Gov. Sarah Palin's controversial firing of former state Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan.
The decision came from the Legislative Council, a bipartisan panel of state senators and representatives.
The committee itself will not conduct the probe. Rather, it will hire an independent investigator to explore whether Palin, her family or members of her administration pressured Monegan to fire an Alaska state trooper involved in a rough divorce from Palin's sister.
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Agreein' with Buck; I think that Rove's stepped on McCain's pecker as well as his own with this one, as there are much better qualified women in the Republican Party. Perhaps they weren't fundie enough to suit Dobson..... Some political genius, huh?
But things could change, of course. And there is still a lot of doubt as to the quality of the voting machines, and plenty of room for the count-cheat scumbags to do their thang. This is gonna be one bare-knuckle riot of an election!
But I make no predictions. I made a couple in the recent past and was badly wronged.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 08/29/2008 : 13:51:07 [Permalink]
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Yep, I do believe I've called it. Just when I thought it was safe to go to Alaska I find this news via Evolution Research - General Evolution News:
The volatile issue of teaching creation science in public schools popped up in the Alaska governor's race this week when Republican Sarah Palin said she thinks creationism should be taught alongside evolution in the state's public classrooms.
Palin was answering a question from the moderator near the conclusion of Wednesday night's televised debate on KAKM Channel 7 when she said, 'Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both.'
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Farther down the article, she crawfishes a bit but there it is.
Potential malfesance of office isn't important to the religiously insane -- hell, even before the current administration they were aclimated to it and have never had a problem with keeping it going. But getting creationism into the public, science classroom by any means available is not only a dream realized, but a deal-sealer like none other.
If the Democrats can't run this pair's tits through the figurative mangle, they're even a bigger pack of losers than I'd imagined.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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