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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 09/30/2008 :  12:05:22  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26956957/
What do you make of this, It's the first I've heard of it and it sounds very much like shenanegans to me.

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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 09/30/2008 :  12:11:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
This sure does sound like they are trying to shorten the lifespan of the U and make Earth special again... Im wary of old UK Universities and their theology.

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
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Cuneiformist
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Posted - 09/30/2008 :  12:15:41   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Cuneiformist a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, I don't think it's quite as grand as they're making it sound-- though I admit that I've never heard of this either. That is, when I read that "Earth may be trapped in an abnormal bubble of space-time that is particularly void of matter," my sense is that there would elsewhere in the universe "abnormal bubbles" that are "particularly void of matter" as our is.

And if that's the case, then I don't think it is necessarily a "contradiction to the Copernican principle."

But yeah, if this "bubble" is really unique, then there are problems.
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 09/30/2008 :  12:23:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
As far as I know there isnt anything special about our place in the visible universe, it's not like we are passing through a void or something, I just dont get where the hell this bubble came from all of the sudden or how big it is supposed to be for that matter.

edit: MSNBC tells me to go to space.com for more but I find nothing.

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
Edited by - BigPapaSmurf on 09/30/2008 12:29:50
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Cuneiformist
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Posted - 09/30/2008 :  12:26:11   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Cuneiformist a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I just got the PDF. PM me if you're interested.
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Simon
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Posted - 09/30/2008 :  12:55:39   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Simon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I heard about that theory in the past; basically that the universe was not uniform.
It is not particularly 'theological' and does not only apply to the earth as the bubble in question would be particularly big, including many galaxies.

Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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Ricky
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Posted - 09/30/2008 :  17:29:28   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hold up, the Doppler shift is how we first observed the expansion of the universe. How does being inside a large void change that?

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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 09/30/2008 :  20:45:59   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Ricky

Hold up, the Doppler shift is how we first observed the expansion of the universe. How does being inside a large void change that?

Because more red light gets through the cosmic dust. Its light gets more red, just like the sun behind the Shanghai smog...




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calebjones1234
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Posted - 09/30/2008 :  21:05:41   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send calebjones1234 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26956957/
What do you make of this, It's the first I've heard of it and it sounds very much like shenanegans to me.



Dark Matter and Dark Energy are also shenanegans.


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Simon
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Posted - 09/30/2008 :  21:14:43   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Simon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dark Matter and Dark Energy are also shenanegans.


Ooooooookay... Why do you say that? How do you explain the acceleration of the universe expansion?

Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
Carl Sagan - 1996
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Cuneiformist
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Posted - 10/01/2008 :  05:28:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Cuneiformist a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by calebjones1234

Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26956957/
What do you make of this, It's the first I've heard of it and it sounds very much like shenanegans to me.



Dark Matter and Dark Energy are also shenanegans.
There now seems to be compelling evidence for Dark Matter. But I guess that in addition to your PhD in Economics, you also have one in Astrophysics. Thus, I'm sure you have a superior explanation for the galaxy rotation problem! Do tell!!!
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astropin
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Posted - 10/01/2008 :  09:14:17   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send astropin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by calebjones1234

Dark Matter and Dark Energy are also shenanegans.



That's a bold statement.


I would rather face a cold reality than delude myself with comforting fantasies.

You are free to believe what you want to believe and I am free to ridicule you for it.

Atheism:
The result of an unbiased and rational search for the truth.

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calebjones1234
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Posted - 10/01/2008 :  18:39:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send calebjones1234 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dark matter and Dark energy are imagined concepts created to explain the 95% of the universe which we do not understand.
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Cuneiformist
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Posted - 10/01/2008 :  18:54:39   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Cuneiformist a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by calebjones1234

Dark matter and Dark energy are imagined concepts created to explain the 95% of the universe which we do not understand.
So do you think that if you just rephrase your objection without adding anything new to the discussion, that it makes you more right?
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Ricky
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Posted - 10/01/2008 :  19:14:24   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by calebjones1234

Dark matter and Dark energy are imagined concepts created to explain the 95% of the universe which we do not understand.


So perhaps you know of something else besides matter that creates gravity?

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
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calebjones1234
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Posted - 10/01/2008 :  19:19:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send calebjones1234 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Ricky

Originally posted by calebjones1234

Dark matter and Dark energy are imagined concepts created to explain the 95% of the universe which we do not understand.


So perhaps you know of something else besides matter that creates gravity?



Invisible Pink Elephants that travel about the universe.

There is as much evidence for my claim as there is for Dark matter and Dark energy.




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