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the_ignored
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Posted - 11/07/2008 :  11:57:23  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message  Reply with Quote
This was found at this woman's blog. Compliments of the Raytractors blog.

There's a lot more to this, but this kind of jumps out at me:

Yes my four year old daughter told me that the only person who would ever help her to be a good girl was Jesus Christ, because she could not do it on her own. I have never told her this. I would have thought this is too deep for a four year old to understand. That she was a sinner, she could not control her sinful nature. She wanted to be good but she could not, instead she did things that where wrong no matter how she tried to be good. Her theology is far deeper than that of many preachers today. I mean she gets it. It is only by the finished work of Christ on the cross that we can be delivered from sin.


She is a wretched little girl, who knows she is a wretched sinner who needs only a good saviour to help her. Glory belongs to God!


Yeah, she says that she doesn't teach her kid self-esteem earlier in her post. Holy shit. Well, that's true, for effing sure.


By the way, here's a link to what this same person things about slavery.

>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.

Gorgo
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Posted - 11/07/2008 :  12:32:51   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Gorgo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Amazing. She's partly right about one thing, a four-year-old's theology may not be deeper than a preacher's, but it is just as good as any preacher's.

I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter



Edited by - Gorgo on 11/07/2008 12:33:38
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perrodetokio
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Posted - 11/07/2008 :  13:39:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send perrodetokio a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The woman from that blog is reaaaaally messed-up in the head! WTF! The things she says about slavery and the "role" of women in society! Veeeery screwed-up!

Cheers!

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astropin
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Posted - 11/07/2008 :  13:52:49   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send astropin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
People like that shouldn't be allowed to have children. Very sad.

I would rather face a cold reality than delude myself with comforting fantasies.

You are free to believe what you want to believe and I am free to ridicule you for it.

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The result of an unbiased and rational search for the truth.

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Simon
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Posted - 11/07/2008 :  15:30:02   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Simon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well; it is a pretty common view among Christians: 'We are all sinners and deserve to go to hell and only by asking Jesus Christ can we have or faults lifted from us and magically forgiven and avoid the punishment that we all so rightly deserve'.

This view might be a bit more prevalent among protestants than among Catholics which tend to have a bot more oriented vision of salvation but the kid is probably repeating an idea she heard elsewhere.
That's mighty smart, however, for a 4 years old to grasp the idea and, to me, make her brain-washing all the sadder.

Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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DtheB
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Posted - 11/07/2008 :  16:02:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send DtheB a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Isn't that mental abuse? Can that be used as evidence for Social Services?

The misuse of a tool does not negate its existence.
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the_ignored
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Posted - 11/08/2008 :  09:59:46   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Some good news. Someone's decided to do some legal things about this situation.


>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 11/08/2008 :  10:25:05   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by the_ignored

Some good news. Someone's decided to do some legal things about this situation.
Registration required on that link. But what "legal things" could be done? Ah, I see she's in the UK, so perhaps they don't have the laws we do in the U.S. that protect child neglect and abuse in the name of religion.

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Simon
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Posted - 11/08/2008 :  11:09:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Simon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
They do not as far as I know; it is fairly typical of the US.

That being say; we don't really know what she means by that. Is she berating her child every night with a list of a misdeeds during the day; insisting about how she is a wretched sinner? Or is it just that, when her child ask her if she is behaving well she answers 'Well; you are not bad; but you did this and that today; and that's not good and you should work on this'.

There is a pretty strong difference about how the two will affect the development of the kid; I am convinced.
All in all; I am very uncomfortable with seeking social service on a parent unless there is reasonable indications that the child health (physical or mental) is at risk and I don't think that there is such indications here.

Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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the_ignored
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Posted - 11/08/2008 :  16:24:16   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sorry, I forgot about the registration thing:

UK readers: child abuse alert

by Roxburgh on Sat Nov 08, 2008 2:37 pm
I am in the Uk. After speaking to someone on the NSPCC Helpline (National Society for the Protection of Children) I have forwarded the link to the blog , her email, her name and the names of the children, her location and a copy of the text of the blog to the NSPCC. This definitely comes under what the NSPCC and Lancashire District Council define as Emotional Abuse based on the Children's Act 1989.

I think there needs to be some restraint from people (from here and other places)in replying to the blog as she may twist it in her head that people are out to get her and this may be adverse to the welfare of the children, especially if she has been using physical punishment towards them. This is a bad bad situation, but not handled properly and through the right channels it could end up, as has happened in other similar cases, disastrously.

>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.
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HalfMooner
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Philippines
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Posted - 11/08/2008 :  17:41:14   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That's great that someone took action, and that in the UK it's possible to at least try to resolve such abuse.

As a minor point, isn't it in the job description of all little kids to be "wretched"? I seem to recall that as being a major part of my duty at that age.


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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the_ignored
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Posted - 11/08/2008 :  17:52:22   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message  Reply with Quote
True. But what's your excuse at your current age?




>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.
Edited by - the_ignored on 11/08/2008 17:52:45
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the_ignored
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Posted - 11/12/2008 :  00:32:20   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Crap...look at the support she's getting for what she's doing to her kid!

>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.
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the_ignored
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Posted - 11/29/2008 :  10:19:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The word is spreading. Kind of...

I had posted that same link to a comment on Evolved Rational's site. She later posted about it, then later on, one of her readers looked at that same site and emailed her about another post Jean made, which ER blogged about here, then PZ Myers picks it up and blogs about it.

Sweet.

>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.
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HalfMooner
Dingaling

Philippines
15831 Posts

Posted - 11/29/2008 :  17:25:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by the_ignored

True. But what's your excuse at your current age?




Old age, of course.


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive.
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