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the_ignored
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 Posted - 11/19/2008 : 16:15:15
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Here's the story:
| A South Texas grand jury has indicted Vice President Dick Cheney and former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales on state charges related to the alleged abuse of prisoners in Willacy County's federal detention centers. |
Cheney's indictment on a charge of engaging in an organized criminal activity criticizes the vice president's investment in the Vanguard Group, which holds interests in the private prison companies running the federal detention centers. It accuses Cheney of a conflict of interest and "at least misdemeanor assaults" on detainees because of his link to the prison companies.
Megan Mitchell, a spokeswoman for Cheney, declined to comment on Tuesday, saying that the vice president had not yet received a copy of the indictment.
The indictment accuses Gonzales of using his position while in office to stop an investigation in 2006 into abuses at one of the privately-run prisons.
Gonzales' attorney, George Terwilliger III, said in a written statement, "This is obviously a bogus charge on its face, as any good prosecutor can recognize. Hopefully, competent Texas authorities will take steps to reign in this abuse of the criminal justice system." |
It'll be interesting to watch, but I doubt anything will come of it...one would think that there'd be a bunch more charges that could be laid at the feet of those people.
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 11/19/2008 : 16:32:12 [Permalink]
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| I hope this is just the beginning. Oh, how I hope that it is... |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 11/19/2008 : 17:31:34 [Permalink]
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Sweet! But I wonder what will come of it; we are dealing with a couple of well-supported scumbags here, who know too much, and I fear there might be presidential pardons in the works even as we speak.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist! 
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Paulos23
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 11/19/2008 : 18:07:28 [Permalink]
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| The indictment has not been signed by the judge yet, so don't hold your breath. |
You can go wrong by being too skeptical as readily as by being too trusting. -- Robert A. Heinlein
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley |
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Simon
SFN Regular
USA
1992 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2008 : 21:49:44 [Permalink]
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| Man; these guys are even worst scumbags than I thought |
Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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chaloobi
SFN Regular
1620 Posts |
Posted - 11/20/2008 : 05:56:54 [Permalink]
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| If this were a serious indictment, Bush would pardon them anyway. I can't wait to see all the pardons that asshole writes. Can he pre-emptively pardon people, before charges are even leveled? |
-Chaloobi
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
 Posted - 11/20/2008 : 07:11:35 [Permalink]
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Everybody relax; ain't nothin gonna happen, ain't nothin gonna change. This is turning into just another, judicial clown show. Arraignment set for Cheney, Gonzales in prisoner abuse caseAssociated Press
Published: Thursday November 20, 2008
CHRISTOPHER SHERMAN
AP News
Nov 19, 2008 21:25 EST
A Texas judge has set a Friday arraignment for Vice President Dick Cheney, former U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and others named in indictments accusing them of responsibility for prisoner abuse in a federal detention center.
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And then, don'tcha know: An attorney for the private prison operator The GEO Group filed motions accusing Guerra of "prosecutorial vindictiveness."
One motion said Guerra had hijacked "the grand jury process and disregarded the requirements of the Code of Criminal Procedure designed to protect defendants' due process rights."
Some attorneys argued that Banales may not have the authority to schedule an arraignment because the indictments were invalid. One lawyer said Guerra never should have been allowed to present the cases to the grand jury because at least four of the indictments deal with people who had some role in the investigation of his office last year.
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And it gets better, or worse, depending on your point of view. The best we peons can expect is a few laughs and a little embarrassment for Gonzie and the swine Cheney.
Hope I'm wrong, but don't think I am.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 11/20/2008 : 10:09:39 [Permalink]
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| The other question will Bush try to preemptively pardon himself? |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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Simon
SFN Regular
USA
1992 Posts |
Posted - 11/20/2008 : 10:17:35 [Permalink]
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Can he?
I guess, an interesting strategy for the scumbags would be to have friends accusing them so that they could go through the indicted/forgiven cycle quickly, before W. leaves office rather than risking somebody else found out after.
You can be charged once for the same crime after all. |
Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
Carl Sagan - 1996 |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 11/20/2008 : 10:26:24 [Permalink]
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| No, I don't think it's legal, but that has nothing to do with anything when it comes to Bush. Or most U.S. presidents for that matter. |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 11/20/2008 : 15:31:55 [Permalink]
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Read a piece by a constitutional law scholar that concludes W does have the authority to pardon himself.
See if I can find a link later.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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Simon
SFN Regular
USA
1992 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2008 : 10:36:37 [Permalink]
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| Can Obama revert the decision and de-pardon the scumbags? |
Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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Randy
SFN Regular
USA
1990 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2008 : 15:17:30 [Permalink]
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WTF?!.....Here's Friday's update....
http://www.statesman.com/search/content/gen/ap/TX_Cheney_Indicted.html |
"We are all connected; to each other biologically, to the earth chemically, to the rest of the universe atomically."
"So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?"
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Simon
SFN Regular
USA
1992 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2008 : 16:08:23 [Permalink]
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Apparently, Guerra was indicted under a bogus charge and the judge kept the indictment for 18 months, long enough to keep him from getting elected and probably trying to paralyse legal actions so that not to undermine the GOP.
No he is moving as fast as he can to dismiss charges against Cheney and co.
I'd say Guerra is paranoid, but in this case, paranoia is the correct response. |
Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
Carl Sagan - 1996 |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 11/22/2008 : 02:39:58 [Permalink]
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I think what we're really seeing is far less a serious indictment of Cheney and Gonzales, and much more an example of local politics played out "to the knife" with typical Texas flair and theatrics. Good theater, though!
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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Cheney and Gonzales indicted
