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filthy
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Posted - 11/23/2008 :  05:02:50  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
This oaf is twenty years old and in that space of time, you'd think that he'd learned something. Or at least developed a survival instinct.
By AUDRA ANG

BEIJING (AP) - A college student in southern China was bitten by a panda after he broke into the bear's enclosure hoping to get a hug, state media and a park employee said Saturday.




Pandas are bears, folks! Not very large bears, but bears nevertheless, and you do not fuck with bears however cute they might appear to be! The males weigh just a bit under 300# and are immensely strong. This numbwit, like other cuddle-fruits before him, didn't stand a chance and was lucky to escape with only moderate damage. Did he learn anything? Perhaps, but I'm not giving odds. Avoiding pandas (maybe), he just might try to snuggle up to a cute, little lynx next.

Me, I side with the panda -- stupidity will ever get it's price in gelt, goods or flesh, and rightly so.




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Posted - 11/23/2008 :  05:08:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I suppose he's worth an honorable mention at Darwin Awards.


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Kil
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Posted - 11/23/2008 :  09:53:16   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yeah, it's amazing. On a visit to Yellowstone I saw cars parked along side the road with people out of their cars taking pictures of brown bears and offering them food. There were signs everywhere that read "Don't Feed the Bears" and "The Bears are Wild Animals".
Brown bears aren't particularly aggressive and probably enjoy the handout. But all it would take is a wrong move or who knows what else and serious hurt would have followed. A grizzly would have just as soon eaten the turists as snacks. And there are grizzly bears in Yellowstone too.

People can be so stupid...


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Posted - 11/23/2008 :  15:11:23   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Kil that reminds me of the story that ends "...and Grizzly droppings have small bells in it, and smells of pepper."

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astropin
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Posted - 11/24/2008 :  10:56:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send astropin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Kil

Yeah, it's amazing. On a visit to Yellowstone I saw cars parked along side the road with people out of their cars taking pictures of brown bears and offering them food. There were signs everywhere that read "Don't Feed the Bears" and "The Bears are Wild Animals".
Brown bears aren't particularly aggressive and probably enjoy the handout. But all it would take is a wrong move or who knows what else and serious hurt would have followed. A grizzly would have just as soon eaten the turists as snacks. And there are grizzly bears in Yellowstone too.

People can be so stupid...




In one of those "faces of death" movies (One of my roommates back in college rented it) They had actual home movie footage of a tourist getting ripped to pieces by a bear in a national park. Yanked his arm clean off like it was a twig.

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H. Humbert
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Posted - 11/24/2008 :  12:23:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by astropin
In one of those "faces of death" movies (One of my roommates back in college rented it) They had actual home movie footage of a tourist getting ripped to pieces by a bear in a national park. Yanked his arm clean off like it was a twig.
That might be one of those things where it's more convincing in your memory that in actuality. There is a bear attack in the original Faces of Death movie, but it is an obvious fake. Supposedly, a tourist is filming another man (who also happens to have a camera) feed a wild bear at a park stop when the animal rears up and "attacks." His wife wails in a most unconvincing fashion and the camera shakes so severely that nothing is visible. (For the attack, the editors inexplicably use footage from the camera of the man being attacked, and not a millisecond of footage from the tourist with a clear view filming from a short distance away). Yet when the bear begins to feed on the husband's carcass (now conveniently hidden behind a fallen log), they use the footage from the second tourist, who continues to sit there and film (as opposed to, you know, going for help or something). At no time is the victim's arm seen being ripped off.

According to wiki:
...several of the "human death" scenes are obviously faked (with Allan A. Apone, make-up and special effects artist for the film, saying that about 40% of it is fake[1])

and
Some of the actors and special makeup/effects crew have reportedly come forward to try to obtain credit for their work on this film. Most of these people were not in any union at the time of filming. This is the reasoning for the brief credits which helped make the film seem more realistic.

Anyway, astropin, I'm strongly led to conclude the bear attack scene is as fake as a $3 bill. I'm really curious if this is even the same clip as the one you are referring to since, as you mention, several sequels were made. Perhaps another more gruesome bear attack did appear in one of the later films. But if it is the one you're remembering, I find it interesting how much more realistic you recall it, including the additional detail of the ripped-off arm.

I should caution that I'm not 100% positive the scene was faked, I can only strongly suspect it. And the bear does obviously eat something meaty at the end, even if it's not a person, so if you are grossed out by that sort of thing you might want to avoid watching this. But if you are curious like me, here is a copy of the bear attack video. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts, Pin.

Edited to add: There is a quick shot of the bear leaving the scene with what I think is supposed to be the man's arm in its mouth, although the clip cuts off too quickly to be sure. Therefore, I'm nearly certain this is the clip you're remembering.


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Edited by - H. Humbert on 11/24/2008 17:12:46
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Grim Ungainly
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Posted - 11/24/2008 :  17:01:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Grim Ungainly a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Wow. that's really stupid.
I've had reasonably close encounters with black bears and grizzlies, but after hearing the story of a guy who got on the wrong side of a polar bear, it almost makes me want to never go back to the arctic.

somehow our culture has been infused with this idea that nature is cute and cuddly, something to be at peace with... Somehow we need to stress the fact that we created towns and cities for a reason, because the natural world is dangerous, and it has no qualms about killing those who don't understand that.

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Simon
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Posted - 11/24/2008 :  17:04:54   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Simon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I blame Dreamworks myself.

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HalfMooner
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Posted - 11/24/2008 :  18:14:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm of the Stephen Colbert school when it comes to bears. As a kid in the early 1950's, I saw a stuffed polar bear, standing erect, in a Fairbanks, Alaska, museum. As I recall, it was twelve feet tall. (Imagine a six-year-old looking way up at the gaping jaws of such a giant.) It was one of the most profoundly terrifying sights I've witnessed.

When stalking people, as they do from time to time, a polar bear is said to cover its nose with a paw, so it cannot be seen in an all-white environment.

Four years ago, at my then-home outside Aberdeen, Washington, my little Chihuahua, Missy was barking at the patio door one night. I slid open the door for her and switched on the outside light. There, eating apples from my tree, was what looked to be an 800-lb. boar black bear. Missy, massing maybe one-hundredth the bear's mass, unhesitatingly charged the bear. I was able to call her back, just before she reached the big guy.

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astropin
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Posted - 11/24/2008 :  20:59:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send astropin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by H. Humbert

Originally posted by astropin
In one of those "faces of death" movies (One of my roommates back in college rented it) They had actual home movie footage of a tourist getting ripped to pieces by a bear in a national park. Yanked his arm clean off like it was a twig.
That might be one of those things where it's more convincing in your memory that in actuality. There is a bear attack in the original Faces of Death movie, but it is an obvious fake. Supposedly, a tourist is filming another man (who also happens to have a camera) feed a wild bear at a park stop when the animal rears up and "attacks." His wife wails in a most unconvincing fashion and the camera shakes so severely that nothing is visible. (For the attack, the editors inexplicably use footage from the camera of the man being attacked, and not a millisecond of footage from the tourist with a clear view filming from a short distance away). Yet when the bear begins to feed on the husband's carcass (now conveniently hidden behind a fallen log), they use the footage from the second tourist, who continues to sit there and film (as opposed to, you know, going for help or something). At no time is the victim's arm seen being ripped off.

According to wiki:
...several of the "human death" scenes are obviously faked (with Allan A. Apone, make-up and special effects artist for the film, saying that about 40% of it is fake[1])

and
Some of the actors and special makeup/effects crew have reportedly come forward to try to obtain credit for their work on this film. Most of these people were not in any union at the time of filming. This is the reasoning for the brief credits which helped make the film seem more realistic.

Anyway, astropin, I'm strongly led to conclude the bear attack scene is as fake as a $3 bill. I'm really curious if this is even the same clip as the one you are referring to since, as you mention, several sequels were made. Perhaps another more gruesome bear attack did appear in one of the later films. But if it is the one you're remembering, I find it interesting how much more realistic you recall it, including the additional detail of the ripped-off arm.

I should caution that I'm not 100% positive the scene was faked, I can only strongly suspect it. And the bear does obviously eat something meaty at the end, even if it's not a person, so if you are grossed out by that sort of thing you might want to avoid watching this. But if you are curious like me, here is a copy of the bear attack video. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts, Pin.

Edited to add: There is a quick shot of the bear leaving the scene with what I think is supposed to be the man's arm in its mouth, although the clip cuts off too quickly to be sure. Therefore, I'm nearly certain this is the clip you're remembering.




Yeah....I think that was the one....see what 20+ years will do

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H. Humbert
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Posted - 11/24/2008 :  21:37:47   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by astropin
Yeah....I think that was the one....see what 20+ years will do
Yeah, it makes stuff seem cooler than it was.

I've had that happen with old scary movies. I'll remember a scene just being absolutely horrifying to me as a youngster. But then when I see it now it looks so fake and lame I wonder why it ever bothered me. It's true, one's emotional state at the time of seeing something really does affect how it gets "recorded" in one's memory. I bet thinking you were seeing a real bear attack left a deeper impression on your memory than if you had simply known you were watching a regular movie with actors.

Anyway, sorry for the aside. Despite this clip being a fake, bears are dangerous animals that need to be respected.


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filthy
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Posted - 11/25/2008 :  03:08:28   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Plush toys and Muppet's and Yogi, oh my! And that is why too many people don't take bears seriously. Or any other wildlife, for that matter. Ever see anyone who'd been mauled by a raccoon?

I too, have seen the idiots feeding and even trying to pet black bears in the Smokey Mountains and wondered if they were born brain-dead or had to take a course of study to achieve the status.

I like bears. They are fascinating to watch, especially sows with a cub or two. But observing them is best done through binoculars and interacting with them in any way is not a part of the equation.

Kil, the bears you saw were blackies. They have a blond color phase that is quite common. It is unknown at this time if the blonds have more fun.







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Posted - 11/25/2008 :  06:28:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send perrodetokio a Private Message  Reply with Quote
There is real footage (looked very real to me, at least) of a guy getting out of his car (while his wife telling him not to do so) to sneak-up and take a closer shot of feeding lions. A guy in another car filming (the feeding lions) caught on tape when a female lion comes from behind the dumb-ass (who is very concentrated in filming) and eats him. Check it out on youtube. Shouldn´t be hard to find.


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filthy
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Posted - 11/25/2008 :  08:17:02   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by perrodetokio

There is real footage (looked very real to me, at least) of a guy getting out of his car (while his wife telling him not to do so) to sneak-up and take a closer shot of feeding lions. A guy in another car filming (the feeding lions) caught on tape when a female lion comes from behind the dumb-ass (who is very concentrated in filming) and eats him. Check it out on youtube. Shouldn´t be hard to find.


Seems that we get two or three of those every year, big cats & bears. Call me cold if you must, but I have small sympathy and as far as I'm concerned, the animal was the victim. I do hope, however, that this cretin's insurance was paid up and his family wasn't left destitute.

Oddly enough, or perhaps not, many maulings are by zoo-kept polar bears. Cretins just can't seem to resist crossing the barrier and reaching through the bars to pet them.

Unfortunately, this is not representative of the problem. Too often the cretins get away with it (more often than not the animal flees) and that simply encourages more cretins. With, sooner or later, predictable results.




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Simon
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Posted - 11/25/2008 :  09:10:35   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Simon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
From what little I know on the subject, polar bears are the most dangerous among the ursine.
Plus, living under our more temperate climates probably make them all sweaty and even more cranky than normal...

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Dave W.
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Posted - 11/25/2008 :  09:31:00   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
These are all pretty graphic.

Here's a lion who was truly a victim.

This lion-eats-man clip is from 1975, the narrator says the lions were chased off.

Then there are these idiots.


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