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Dave W.
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Yup, Matthew "Frame It!" Nisbet is giving science deniers (and AGW deniers in particular) a big ol' hug, promising to never call them "deniers" again because it hurts their widdle feelings.
Actually, he claims that calling them "deniers" does nothing more than make the deniers screech that they're not Nazis, and so distracts away from the debate. The problem, of course, is that the deniers aren't interested in any debate. Distraction is all that they've got.
Mark Hoofnagle has a long write-up on this, which is a very good read.
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 11/25/2008 : 14:51:24 [Permalink]
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| Good article. I think Nisbet has lost it. He dug in so far defending his position that he has now taken it to the absurd... |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
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Simon
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Posted - 11/25/2008 : 15:35:03 [Permalink]
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While I respect Nisbet position, I agree that it is going to far.
It IS denialism. They reject overwhelming evidences and fact just 'cause they don't like them. From a methodological point of view, they are no more justified than Holocaust deniers or flat-earther.
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 11/25/2008 : 22:02:46 [Permalink]
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I especially liked this succinct thinking, from the OP's Denialism Blog link:| If a doctor confronts an alcoholic about their denial of their alcoholism, they're not suggesting they hate Jewish people too. When a psychiatrist tells their patient they're in denial, that's hardly comparing them to the Nazis. When we say a public figure has issued a denial of some scandal, we're not suggesting they advocate a new holocaust. And finally, when we suggest any number of other people are denying reality, whether it be holocaust denial, evolution denial, HIV/AIDS denial, etc., the point is clear that we are referring to their methods more than their motives which are necessarily varied. |
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Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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Dave W.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 11/26/2008 : 18:21:15 [Permalink]
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| Nisbet responds, completely ignoring the fact that name-calling works pretty well for the denialists. If "denier" is name-calling, then so are the labels that the denialists apply to scientists and others standing opposed to the denialists, including (but not limited to) "brainwashed" and "sheep." If Nisbet wants to simply claim the "moral high ground" in the "debate," that's what he should be arguing, instead implying that people who find the word "denier" acceptable are doing something that the deniers are not. |
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Nisbet and deniers in love-fest
