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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 12/23/2008 : 16:45:28 [Permalink]
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Singer-songwriter, Lesbian, and gay rights activist Melissa Etheridge has written about Rick Warren, and I feel her thoughts should be in the mix.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 12/23/2008 : 16:56:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
filthy said:
I don't see the Warren choice as all that big a deal, and certainly not worth the R & H (rhetoric & hyperbole) that's it's inspired. What the hell is an invocation, anyway? It's no more that some religious guy getting up and running his pious mouth for a few minutes, then shutting his yap (hopefully) and sitting back down. What he has to say is meaningless and will be forgotten soon enough, the American short-term memory being what it is.
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It gives a fundie bigot a national stage, is the problem. Its like rewarding him for being a total asshat.
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Yeah, but the general public'll see the fat fuck once and I've no doubt that his remarks will be carefully vetted. The real news on Warren will be when he un-edits the homophobia back into his website. Meanwhile, he will be vastly over-shadowed by Obama, and very few people pay much attention to invocations, anyway.
He will convince no one who is not already hooked and everyone else will just wish he'd shut the hell up and get on with the show.
Invocations are simply not important, even as entertainment.
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/24/2008 : 02:21:57 [Permalink]
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Oh, I agree, the invocation is not important. Inviting this asshat to give it though is a big deal. It sends a message that Obama is going to welcome this type of individual, when he should be ignoring and marginalizing them.
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 12/24/2008 : 04:33:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Oh, I agree, the invocation is not important. Inviting this asshat to give it though is a big deal. It sends a message that Obama is going to welcome this type of individual, when he should be ignoring and marginalizing them.
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Or maybe he's just mindfucking them?
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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 Posted - 12/24/2008 : 04:37:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Oh, I agree, the invocation is not important. Inviting this asshat to give it though is a big deal. It sends a message that Obama is going to welcome this type of individual, when he should be ignoring and marginalizing them.
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Agree, and I've already made a suggestion as to a better choice. But I'm not at all troubled by Warren; in fact, I'm starting to find him amusing as he whines like a kicked dog and tries to whitewash his on-line ass. Your problem, friend Dude, is that you're Christophobic! Yeah, I'd ever heard of it either. Rick Warren (right), the evangelical preacher chosen by Barack Obama to deliver the inaugural invocation, has posted a three-part video to his church's website responding to the furor that has erupted over his selection.
In the video, Warren criticizes the media, and, in particular, bloggers, for fueling the controversy. And he says the criticism of him in the wake of his selection has been characterized by "a lot of hate speech" and by "Christophobia -- people who are afraid of any Christian.''
"Our nation is being destroyed by the demonization of differences,'' he says. "The fact that an evangelical pastor believes in keeping the historic definition of marriage -- that's not news. The fact that the gay community would disagree with me -- that's not news either. The real story is that a couple of different American leaders have chosen to model civility for the rest of the nation.'' |
Heh, what's not to enjoy; can't you almost smell the hypocrisy? I must admit though, that the snivel about the media was uninspired. I've heard better.
And now I'm hearing rumbles that he might withdraw, reminding me just a little of Justice Bork. I doubt it'll happen, but we'll see.
Actually, the way this shit-storm is playing out, it could do some damage to him; enough perhaps that, like Bork, he might indeed be marginalized. But that's America, love it or loath it. Warren will come and he will go, and at the end of the day, he will matter not at all.
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/24/2008 : 11:42:55 [Permalink]
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Warren will come and he will go, and at the end of the day, he will matter not at all.
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Except the part where he put time and money into getting discrimination against gay people written into law in California.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/24/2008 : 11:49:01 [Permalink]
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"When the going gets tough, the strange get weird!" or something like that. Our Rev. Rick seems to be losing it: Maddow was joined by Nation columnist Katha Pollitt, who commented, "Rick Warren, I think when you said he confuses himself with Christ, I think you're onto something. The man obviously has a colossal ego. ... This is a big opportunity for him."
Pollitt added, however, that "I thought that the things you noticed would fly by the people that that was aimed at who share those beliefs. They also think that they're the real Christians, so if you don't like Rick Warren, you don't like Christ."
However, not everyone who thinks of themself as a real Christian does approve of Rick Warren. Wiley Drake, the pastor of a Southern Baptist church in Orange County, California has been bashing Warren for agreeing to appear at the inauguration.
In a widely-distributed email, Drake -- who does not believe that Obama is an American citizen -- thundered that "God will punish" Warren for his "recent plan to invoke the presence of almighty God on this evil illegal alien." In a later interview, Drake explained, "It's an abomination before God and God's going to deal with that." |
So, let us count our blessings; Obama could have picked Wiley Coyote erm, Drake for the gig. Now that would be truly weird because Wiley'd probably accept and start scrubbing his website of Roadrunner & Warren references right away. 
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
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Posted - 12/24/2008 : 11:59:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
Singer-songwriter, Lesbian, and gay rights activist Melissa Etheridge has written about Rick Warren, and I feel her thoughts should be in the mix.
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It just seems to me like the guy was already in history re-writing mode.
I still disagree with the choice. The danger in reaching to the extremists is that they will often take it as an opportunity to pull you toward them... |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 12/24/2008 : 12:25:01 [Permalink]
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I've gone from being pissed off to not being pissed off. I think Obama could have made a better choice, but whatever...
I think it's funny that Warren got rid of all the homophobic crap from his website. That's a man standing up for his principles, isn't it? In truth, I think this is getting funny. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/24/2008 : 13:03:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
I've gone from being pissed off to not being pissed off. I think Obama could have made a better choice, but whatever...
I think it's funny that Warren got rid of all the homophobic crap from his website. That's a man standing up for his principles, isn't it? In truth, I think this is getting funny.
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Indeed it is; lefties howling, righties fulminating like like sulfer vents, and pundits making even bigger ass' of themselves than usual, and the subject of all the wasted wind slithering around like a green snake in a sugar cane field. What's not to love?
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 12/24/2008 : 19:24:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Originally posted by Kil
I've gone from being pissed off to not being pissed off. I think Obama could have made a better choice, but whatever...
I think it's funny that Warren got rid of all the homophobic crap from his website. That's a man standing up for his principles, isn't it? In truth, I think this is getting funny.
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Indeed it is; lefties howling, righties fulminating like like sulfer vents, and pundits making even bigger ass' of themselves than usual, and the subject of all the wasted wind slithering around like a green snake in a sugar cane field. What's not to love?
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Yes, exactly! What a wonderfully uniting choice this has been.
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/24/2008 : 19:33:04 [Permalink]
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Of course, maybe Obama is pissed off at this fundie asshat. This could be a subtle and unavoidable bit of payback.
Invite the guy to do the invocation knowing that it will piss off the further-right wingnuts if he accepts, and will focus a tremendous amount of media attention on the target of the invitation.
Maybe Rick Warren loses here no matter what he does.
And maybe I'm over thinking it.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 12/25/2008 : 01:22:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Originally posted by Kil
I've gone from being pissed off to not being pissed off. I think Obama could have made a better choice, but whatever...
I think it's funny that Warren got rid of all the homophobic crap from his website. That's a man standing up for his principles, isn't it? In truth, I think this is getting funny.
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Indeed it is; lefties howling, righties fulminating like like sulfer vents, and pundits making even bigger ass' of themselves than usual, and the subject of all the wasted wind slithering around like a green snake in a sugar cane field. What's not to love?
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Warren seems to like a perfect lightning-rod for all-of-the-above.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 12/25/2008 : 01:35:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Of course, maybe Obama is pissed off at this fundie asshat. This could be a subtle and unavoidable bit of payback.
Invite the guy to do the invocation knowing that it will piss off the further-right wingnuts if he accepts, and will focus a tremendous amount of media attention on the target of the invitation.
Maybe Rick Warren loses here no matter what he does.
And maybe I'm over thinking it.
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Great minds over-think alike. That flitted through my thoughts as well. Warren, it seems, is not so popular amongst the religiously insane as we might think. The link is for the Rick Warren, False Prophet from Hell website, an interesting place to visit, but not stay for very long.
Obama is certainly intelligent enough to engineer something of this sort and being a politician, probably would if he thought it worth his while.
Anyway...... 
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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and Crypto-Communist!
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Rick Warren to do invocation on January 20th?
