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perrodetokio
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 Posted - 02/02/2009 : 06:48:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
Rambo I was enough for me, sorry.
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Hahaha! Yeah! I´m not a fan of Rambo myself. But I do remember when they played it on cable TV, Rambo was helping the "FreedomFighters" against the EVIIIIIIIIL soviets.
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Simon
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 02/02/2009 : 09:15:02 [Permalink]
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Rambo I was actually reasonably good. And it certainly was not the right-wing propaganda that the next two movies were to become.
But, yes, the invasion of Afghanistan was, I think, a pretty reasonable thing to do. |
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Hittman
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Simon
SFN Regular
USA
1992 Posts |
Posted - 02/02/2009 : 10:55:02 [Permalink]
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Once again, rewatch the firt one.
The story is, a PTSD riddled veteran stumble in a small rednecky town.
He has long hair and the local fascistic authority do not like it.
But his skills are an elite soldier are still here.
Mayhem ensue.
It's fairly reasonable as action movies' premise go.
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Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 02/02/2009 : 17:11:23 [Permalink]
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I liked the first Rambo, too. It began with reasonable premises, then proceeded with action that stretched, but usually didn't quite break, the audience's suspension of disbelief.
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 02/03/2009 : 09:50:12 [Permalink]
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Gorgo said:
This from a guy who didn't know the U.N. was a treaty, and now that he knows, is still against trying to get the U.S. to conform to international law.
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Wrong again, as usual.
The UN charter just doesn't say what you think it says, and anyone who points it out to you gets shit like that above from you.
If you ever wake from your delusion, perhaps a reasonable conversation could occur, but I doubt you ever will.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2009 : 10:36:43 [Permalink]
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It's fairly reasonable as action movies' premise go.
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And there you go. Most movies have some element of things that are somewhat unbelievable or they wouldn't be interesting. |
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WarfRat
New Member
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Posted - 02/18/2009 : 10:19:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
Originally posted by Simon
Al Qaida was chiefly based in Afghanistan and the regime was supporting it...
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What was the reason for the war?
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Sorry for rehashing this but.. if the arguement for war was that the Taliban was sheltering Al Qaeda. Wouldn't the Brits invade or at least bomb South Boston, MA for harboring the IRA? |
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Grayven
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Posted - 02/18/2009 : 21:52:34 [Permalink]
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| What terrible things would happen to us if we just left these places and went home? |
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Mycroft
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 02/19/2009 : 00:36:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by WarfRat
Sorry for rehashing this but.. if the arguement for war was that the Taliban was sheltering Al Qaeda. Wouldn't the Brits invade or at least bomb South Boston, MA for harboring the IRA?
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That's an old Noam Chomsky joke, he's always gotten a laugh with it.
To address it seriously, no, you don't bomb people when you have other less violent options available. The Taliban, when asked, declined to turn over Osama and his Al Qaeda friends. They were given the option and encouraged to accept in the strongest of terms. Even so, some might argue that less violent options were still not given enough chance.
The Brits certainly had every moral right to insist that the US do everything in its power to stop Bostonians from funding the IRA (I'm pretty sure nobody actually harbored anyone. If they had, I'm sure the FBI were very interested in making the appropriate arrests). I might even agree they had the moral right to drop bombs if their concerns were not addressed by Washington. It's very likely, however that they believe it's not a good strategic choice, given what it could cost them.
Chomsky has a lot of pithy quotes that at first seem brilliant, but lose their lustre when you think about them and see their flaws. |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 02/19/2009 : 02:20:08 [Permalink]
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Not the story I heard.
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I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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| Edited by - Gorgo on 02/19/2009 02:23:47 |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 02/19/2009 : 05:10:39 [Permalink]
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Chomsky has a lot of pithy quotes that at first seem brilliant, but lose their lustre when you think about them and see their flaws.
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Why don't you address something he said, then? |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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Grayven
New Member
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Posted - 02/20/2009 : 20:07:48 [Permalink]
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| Can someone explain to me why I care at all if people in Afghanistan a members of the Westboro Baptist Churh? That country is far away, so why do I care how badly the people in it screw it up/ |
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Simon
SFN Regular
USA
1992 Posts |
Posted - 02/20/2009 : 20:31:29 [Permalink]
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Because you feel for your fellow Homo sapiens?
Because no man will be truly free before every men are?
Because we all are brothers in FSM?
Because part of the screw up is due to the situation the US helped created and, hence, a tiny but real part of is your very indirect personal responsibility?
Because if things go to hell, it might produce the next generation of Ben Laden?
Because Afghanistan is one of the world top producer of opium and as such a vital part in the world Rock & Roll industry? |
Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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Grayven
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Posted - 03/03/2009 : 11:36:29 [Permalink]
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| Don't worry, they'll still sell us opium. |
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Obama’s Afghan war
