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H. Humbert
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Posted - 03/04/2009 :  16:23:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by tomk80
I don't know whether that is really what's going on. I have the idea that Limbaugh, Palin and "Joe the Plumber" form the abyss and the Republican head honchos are eagerly pushing the party in it.
The Republican Party leaders were convinced by Karl Rove that wooing the religious right was key to their success. And indeed, the more they pandered to (or appeared to) religious conservatives on such issues as abortion, stem cell research, gay rights, and abstinence only education, the more they were rewarded with the votes needed to put them into power and carry out their real agenda, which was to line their pockets by greasing the wheels of government for Big Business.

But, as they are finding, it's hard now to put the genie back into the bottle. The credulous rubes they were using for votes suddenly now want a real voice in politics and a real say in the future direction of the Republican party. A few Republican leaders have tried to reestablish their dominance by speaking out against agitators like Limbaugh. You see how quickly they had to back down. McCain did the same when he called the religious right "agents of intolerance." 8 years later he was forced to select a young earth creationist, evangelical moron as his running mate. The Repubs have lost control of their own party. Courting faith-heads used to be a means to an end. Now they are actually beholden to these nuts. They're in too deep to double-back on their promises now, but I'm sure more than a few of them are wondering how best to get out of this jam. The pitbull has turned on its master. Karl Rove has ruined the Republican party, and for that I am grateful.


"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman

"Face facts with dignity." --found inside a fortune cookie
Edited by - H. Humbert on 03/04/2009 16:24:14
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HalfMooner
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Philippines
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Posted - 03/04/2009 :  17:23:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Nailed it, H.H.!

Tangentially apropos from ROFL Razzi:




Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Simon
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USA
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Posted - 03/04/2009 :  17:30:27   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Simon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That's wonderful Half!

Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
Carl Sagan - 1996
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HalfMooner
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Philippines
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Posted - 03/04/2009 :  17:41:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by tomk80

Originally posted by HalfMooner
Yes, if by "lead" you mean, "try to shove it into an abyss."

I don't know whether that is really what's going on. I have the idea that Limbaugh, Palin and "Joe the Plumber" form the abyss and the Republican head honchos are eagerly pushing the party in it.

Fixed quotation - Ricky
Well, I'll consider either the "sucking" or "blowing" hypothesis.


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Dave W.
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Posted - 03/04/2009 :  18:28:56   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by HalfMooner

Tangentially apropos from ROFL Razzi
Yeah, the old joke goes thusly:
Q: What's the difference between Rush Limbaugh and the Hindenburg?

A: One is a flaming Nazi gasbag, and the other was a zeppelin.

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hholdings
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Posted - 03/04/2009 :  21:14:58   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit hholdings's Homepage Send hholdings a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Check related article at Amazines.com: The Creation of a New Major Political Party
October 30, 2008
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Dave W.
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Posted - 03/04/2009 :  21:23:31   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by hholdings

Check related article at Amazines.com: The Creation of a New Major Political Party
October 30, 2008
Um, you wrote that article, and it contains precisely zero references to support its assertions, so how is it supposed to answer the question being asked?

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Zebra
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Posted - 03/04/2009 :  22:27:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Zebra a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yes, but check out this site, which references this article.

Oh, wait.

Never mind.


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HalfMooner
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Posted - 03/05/2009 :  01:36:33   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by hholdings

Check related article at Amazines.com: The Creation of a New Major Political Party
October 30, 2008
I chuckled at the use of the evasive, weaselly passive sense in your article: "The projection at the federal level is that about ..." and "...it is projected that the RNC will become a minor party." Nothing like, "Based upon national polls, the American Politics Tomorrow think tank projects that..."

Just a suggestion, but what I try to do in my own political guessing games is occasionally throw in the old disclaimer, "I think that..." -- even when I'm personally certain about my wild-ass, sometimes hope-fueled guess. Also, using passive voice is so... passive. It loses all dynamism.

And it really looks as though the title for this thread (which was not weasel-worded) falls somewhere into the spectrum between fiction and wishful thinking.


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Edited by - HalfMooner on 03/05/2009 02:09:23
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