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Bill scott
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 Posted - 04/16/2009 : 11:16:31 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
MSNBC's Rachel Maddow, during a Thursday broadcast, mocked the "tea parties" scheduled to take place across the nation on April 15 and tried her best to hold back laughter at the rather unfortunate name the conservative resistance has assumed.
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And all 13 of her viewers almost laughed as well. |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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 Posted - 04/16/2009 : 11:34:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
Originally posted by filthy
MSNBC's Rachel Maddow, during a Thursday broadcast, mocked the "tea parties" scheduled to take place across the nation on April 15 and tried her best to hold back laughter at the rather unfortunate name the conservative resistance has assumed.
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And all 13 of her viewers almost laughed as well.
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Actually, more than just her viewers saw it. I've never caught her act, but read about it and laughed 'till I puked!
Please tell me that you didn't go teabagging, Bill. I'd hate to think that a friend was involved in such nonsense.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Bill scott
SFN Addict
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Posted - 04/16/2009 : 11:46:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Originally posted by Bill scott
Originally posted by filthy
MSNBC's Rachel Maddow, during a Thursday broadcast, mocked the "tea parties" scheduled to take place across the nation on April 15 and tried her best to hold back laughter at the rather unfortunate name the conservative resistance has assumed.
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And all 13 of her viewers almost laughed as well.
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Actually, more than just her viewers saw it. I've never caught her act, but read about it and laughed 'till I puked!
Please tell me that you didn't go teabagging, Bill. I'd hate to think that a friend was involved in such nonsense.
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No teabagging for me. I was to busy trying to get my taxes done. (just joking)
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"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 04/16/2009 : 12:07:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
Originally posted by filthy
Originally posted by Bill scott
Originally posted by filthy
MSNBC's Rachel Maddow, during a Thursday broadcast, mocked the "tea parties" scheduled to take place across the nation on April 15 and tried her best to hold back laughter at the rather unfortunate name the conservative resistance has assumed.
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And all 13 of her viewers almost laughed as well.
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Actually, more than just her viewers saw it. I've never caught her act, but read about it and laughed 'till I puked!
Please tell me that you didn't go teabagging, Bill. I'd hate to think that a friend was involved in such nonsense.
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No teabagging for me. I was to busy trying to get my taxes done. (just joking)
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A far worthier enterprise -- hope you didn't get bitten too badly, and the Rude Pundit agrees:
"The Tea Parties: So That Happened:
Yesterday, thousands of poor and middle-class people were manipulated into helping rich people keep more of their money. It's sort of like going to a Yankees game, but without the souvenirs.
The Rude Pundit thinks it's generally a good thing when large groups of people come together for a cause, and, agree or disagree with the cause, getting people in the habit of protesting is ultimately positive for the nation. It gives us a more European feel, where citizens tend to actually give a shit about what their government is doing. Would that many of the people holding up signs yesterday had respected our antiwar marches back in 2003 and 2004, but, hey, water under a bridge built of bones, you know.
What is stunning is that yesterday's Tea Party protests were based on a demonstrable, factual lie. It wasn't about interpreting something or opinions. No, what people were protesting was actually a falsehood. They were played for suckers while they thought they were saving democracy. It was a bait and switch, man, a con game that was more dishonest than sidewalk three-card monte.
The whole day was filled with Fox-fanned falsehoods, starting with the whole acronym the protests adopted after "teabag" became the subject of mucho deserved mocking. "Taxed Enough Already" presupposes that taxes will be raised. And it seems that the tea partyers simply think that Barack Obama is lying to them when he says that the taxes for the vast, vast majority of Americans are lower under his plan. (On his radio show, Alan Colmes was screaming at callers who kept insisting that Obama was raising taxes for everyone.) The protests were against some fantasy administration, a sandwich of fascism on a socialism bun covered in a secret sauce of tyranny. It's like prayer: you can't really prove that it matters, but, hey, someone told you it was a good idea to do it, so down on your knees you go."
Funny but kinda sad, ain't it?
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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moakley
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Posted - 04/16/2009 : 12:12:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by moakley
Edited: I hope someone got a chance to check out the link earlier at that point it did list just over 100 protesters. Now the same link says over 2000.
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Today's paper list the total somewhere between 1500 and 2000. Again, like others have observed, mostly white, many older, complaining about socialism and taxes. And mostly contrived due to the promotional efforts of Fox News and sponsorship by conservative groups. Although the guy who organized the Charlotte event is a libertarian. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/16/2009 : 12:49:17 [Permalink]
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On a lighter, lewder note, this fellow showed up early for the party.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Dave W.
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Machi4velli
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Posted - 04/17/2009 : 01:27:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Amusing, is it not, that only a few days ago they were wringing their hands and moaning that Obama was a socialist. Now, they are gnashing their teeth and whining piteously that he's a fascist. I strongly suspect that they don't know the definitions of either word. Smegheads.  |
Going to have to break out Hayek's definition of fascism and his view of its location in the political spectrum just to be argumentative!
| This whole thing has nothing to do with taxes nor federal spending. It is about an educated black man wiping the floor in a presidential election with a white one. The fact that the darkie is having some success and will most likely enjoy a lot more of it drops a pipe wrench into their mental reduction gears, and the grinding can be heard nation-wide. Me, I love it! |
Where did that even come from? |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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14408 Posts |
Posted - 04/17/2009 : 07:07:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Machi4velli
Originally posted by filthy
Amusing, is it not, that only a few days ago they were wringing their hands and moaning that Obama was a socialist. Now, they are gnashing their teeth and whining piteously that he's a fascist. I strongly suspect that they don't know the definitions of either word. Smegheads. |
Going to have to break out Hayek's definition of fascism and his view of its location in the political spectrum just to be argumentative!
| This whole thing has nothing to do with taxes nor federal spending. It is about an educated black man wiping the floor in a presidential election with a white one. The fact that the darkie is having some success and will most likely enjoy a lot more of it drops a pipe wrench into their mental reduction gears, and the grinding can be heard nation-wide. Me, I love it! |
Where did that even come from?
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What it 'stills off to is that the Republicans lost an election that they were certain of winning and worse yet, lost it to a black man. They've now been out of power for better than 100 days, and they just can't stand it. I probably could have worded my statement a little better, but there you have it.
These teabagging parties sort'a make me wonder what they'll do for an encore. I've got little doubt that there will be one.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Simon
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Posted - 04/17/2009 : 07:34:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Machi4velli
Going to have to break out Hayek's definition of fascism and his view of its location in the political spectrum just to be argumentative! |
Friedrich Hayek? The road to Serfdom?
You realize he was demonstrably wrong and stupidly ill informed (or blinded by his own ideology).
His argument that totalitarianism starts with central planning is wrong, as neither Germany nor Russia had central planning at the time of their sinking into dictatorship. He also seemed to believe that both Hitler and the Soviet were elected to solve the shortcomings of central planning. Once again, it's wrong, Hitler was elected on a totally different program and the USSR never elected the communists into power.
Also, Hitler never had any nationalization plan for the German economy...
Even if he was a credible reference, it is not relevant as Obama has never indicated he wished for a nationalization of the economy... |
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Machi4velli
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Posted - 04/17/2009 : 23:19:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Simon
Originally posted by Machi4velli
Going to have to break out Hayek's definition of fascism and his view of its location in the political spectrum just to be argumentative! |
Friedrich Hayek? The road to Serfdom?
You realize he was demonstrably wrong and stupidly ill informed (or blinded by his own ideology).
His argument that totalitarianism starts with central planning is wrong, as neither Germany nor Russia had central planning at the time of their sinking into dictatorship. He also seemed to believe that both Hitler and the Soviet were elected to solve the shortcomings of central planning. Once again, it's wrong, Hitler was elected on a totally different program and the USSR never elected the communists into power.
Also, Hitler never had any nationalization plan for the German economy...
Even if he was a credible reference, it is not relevant as Obama has never indicated he wished for a nationalization of the economy...
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Sorry, I didn't mean to suggest Obama was in any way fascist, or that Hayek's "Road" correctly describes the rise of Nazism.
However, I do agree with Hayek that fascism is not diametrically opposed to socialism, and that the two have some concepts in common, so calling someone a fascist who you used to call a socialist is not necessarily a contradiction. |
"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people."
-Giordano Bruno
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, but the illusion of knowledge."
-Stephen Hawking
"Seeking what is true is not seeking what is desirable"
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Machi4velli
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Posted - 04/17/2009 : 23:26:09 [Permalink]
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| This whole thing has nothing to do with taxes nor federal spending. It is about an educated black man wiping the floor in a presidential election with a white one. The fact that the darkie is having some success and will most likely enjoy a lot more of it drops a pipe wrench into their mental reduction gears, and the grinding can be heard nation-wide. Me, I love it! |
Where did that even come from? |
What it 'stills off to is that the Republicans lost an election that they were certain of winning and worse yet, lost it to a black man. They've now been out of power for better than 100 days, and they just can't stand it. I probably could have worded my statement a little better, but there you have it. |
Still don't know how that even became the topic. Why would you assume Republicans are upset because he's black? |
"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people."
-Giordano Bruno
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, but the illusion of knowledge."
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 04/18/2009 : 02:52:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Machi4velli
| This whole thing has nothing to do with taxes nor federal spending. It is about an educated black man wiping the floor in a presidential election with a white one. The fact that the darkie is having some success and will most likely enjoy a lot more of it drops a pipe wrench into their mental reduction gears, and the grinding can be heard nation-wide. Me, I love it! |
Where did that even come from? |
What it 'stills off to is that the Republicans lost an election that they were certain of winning and worse yet, lost it to a black man. They've now been out of power for better than 100 days, and they just can't stand it. I probably could have worded my statement a little better, but there you have it. |
Still don't know how that even became the topic. Why would you assume Republicans are upset because he's black?
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Ay least partly. But mostly it's the loss of power as evidencedby recent behavior. I think we can look forward to more "teabagish" acts of lunacy.
Topic? Close enough.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/21/2009 : 03:16:47 [Permalink]
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I don't much feel like starting another thread just for this, so in a similar vein: Jonathan Falwell and Other Right Wingers Put the 'Reaction' in 'Reactionary' Via Response to DHS Report on Extremists
Submitted by meg on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 12:28pm. Analysis
A BUZZFLASH NEWS ANALYSIS
by Meg White
In another edition of the Falwell Confidential, an e-mail newsletter from the late Rev. Jerry Falwell's son Jonathan, the Baptist pastor drew a straight line connecting pro-lifers such as himself to violent extremists.
Hey, man: You said it, not me.
Falwell was reacting to the publication of an intelligence report by the Department of Homeland Security warning about the possibility of a homegrown terrorist attack due to violent radicalization of disgruntled individuals on the right. Here's an excerpt from his letter to his "fellow 'extremists'"
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 04/21/2009 : 06:08:32 [Permalink]
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Essentially, Jonathan Falwell is identifying himself and his followers with outright swastika-saluting Nazis and cross-burning Klansmen. Those are the right-wing extremists that Napolitano was pointing to.
But to be fair to Falwell, it is getting harder and harder these days to tell his kind of theonazis from the old school "real" Nazis.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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April 15 teabag parties — HOORAY!
