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HalfMooner
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Posted - 04/29/2009 :  06:58:04  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
... and by "panic," I simply mean taking reasonable, inexpensive precautions.

The first precaution is this: I am not a medical professional, so my advice should not be taken as gospel. Having said that, I will try to offer a very few simple and well-known ideas for hygiene during a possible pandemic. I invite the more medically-knowledgeable amongst us to correct me where needed, and add ideas and thoughts that have not occurred to me.

First, nobody knows yet if the current swine flu epidemic that erupted in Mexico is going to be a mass-killer. The current level assigned to the epidemic by WHO is 4, just raised from 3. If it gets to 5, it's time to take very careful steps, including avoiding crowds, wearing "surgical" masks at all times in public, and constantly sanitizing one's hands with alcohol or another germ-killing solution. Don't let looking like a obessive-compulsive Geek stop you from wearing a mask and washing your hands! Even obsessive-compulsive hand-washers are right sometimes.

People here in California's Bay Area haven't yet taken to wearing masks in public, but this morning when I went out to buy some, a fresh order had already been sold out at the local Walgreen's pharmacy. I was able to get "ear loop" masks at a large local Safeway store. I also bought two handy little spray bottles of Purell, which is simply 85% ethyl alcohol. I intend to refill these bottles with strong rubbing alcohol as needed.

I live alone. Based on that, my plans are:

To try to stay well: Get hygienic supplies (masks, hand sanitizer). Start using them anytime I go out if either 1) the WHO level for the epidemic is raised to 5, or 2) I think local conditions warrant it. But stay in my apartment as much as possible. I have stocked up with a month's supply of food, which I do anyway this time of month.

For in the event I get sick: Stock up with food and juice not requiring preparation. Get Tylenol, to fight fever. Get to doctor to get Tamiflu.

Watch this Effect Measure site for knowledgeable flu epidemic updates.

Anyone have any defensive ideas? Or corrections to mine?


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive.

Edited by - HalfMooner on 04/29/2009 07:08:15

Simon
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Posted - 04/29/2009 :  07:49:17   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Simon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sounds about right.

There seem to be conflicting evidence for the efficiency of more classical flue vaccines.

I guess, keeping your immune system healthy would also help.
Get some Vitamine C. Exercise, sleep well, reduce your smoking as it is especially damaging to the respiratory immune system...

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Kil
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Posted - 04/29/2009 :  08:15:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I plan to touch nothing and exhale only.

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HalfMooner
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Philippines
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Posted - 04/29/2009 :  08:43:20   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sandra Porter at Discovering Biology in a Digital World has already done some work on the origins of the new swine flu breakout. (Hat tip to Greg Laden.)

The new strain is an H1N1 flu. It looks to be related to, but genetically somewhat different from, an outbreak which started at a fair in Ohio in 2007. I'm guessing that if a person got the 2007 flu, he or she might be at least partially immune to the Mexican variety.

Other news: A couple of local Bay Area schools have now been shut down due to confirmed cases of the Mexican swine flu.


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Edited by - HalfMooner on 04/29/2009 08:59:52
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Kil
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Posted - 04/29/2009 :  08:59:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by HalfMooner

Sandra Porter at Aetiology has already done some work on the origins of the new swine flu breakout. (Hat tip to Greg Laden.)



Did she really have to open with this?
Swine flu--deja vu all over again?


I hate that particular redundancy that has somehow creeped into the language and taken up shop. It was funny when Yogi Berra said it because it was so, well, Yogi.

Of course, my objection to her use of the phrase says nothing about the article's content. It's just that fer-crying-out-loud. Smart people.


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Why not question something for a change?

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HalfMooner
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Posted - 04/29/2009 :  09:01:56   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Kil

Originally posted by HalfMooner

Sandra Porter at Aetiology has already done some work on the origins of the new swine flu breakout. (Hat tip to Greg Laden.)



Did she really have to open with this?
Swine flu--deja vu all over again?


I hate that particular redundancy that has somehow creeped into the language and taken up shop. It was funny when Yogi Berra said it because it was so, well, Yogi.

Of course, my objection to her use of the phrase says nothing about the article's content. It's just that fer-crying-out-loud. Smart people.


Irregardless, the exception proves the rule.

Well, I've now changed the above link to go directly to the blog of Sandra Porter, not Aetiology, just so people won't have to deal with that Yogiism.


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive.
Edited by - HalfMooner on 04/29/2009 09:04:07
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marfknox
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Posted - 04/29/2009 :  09:07:58   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit marfknox's Homepage  Send marfknox an AOL message Send marfknox a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I know this is a seemingly random thing to latch onto, but why stock up on juice? Juice is mostly pretty empty calories and overloaded with sugars. Seems more sensible to stock up on canned and frozen goods, including fruits.

Just sayin'.

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Kil
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Posted - 04/29/2009 :  09:08:51   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Mooner:
Irregardless...

Ha!

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Why not question something for a change?

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HalfMooner
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Posted - 04/29/2009 :  09:15:52   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by marfknox

I know this is a seemingly random thing to latch onto, but why stock up on juice? Juice is mostly pretty empty calories and overloaded with sugars. Seems more sensible to stock up on canned and frozen goods, including fruits.

Just sayin'.
Hydration seems the most important thing for survival when running a fever, so having water and juice at hand seemed the first priority to me. But fruit sure sounds good, too. Not so sure I will be in shape to nuke frozen entrees or even open cans, though.




Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive.
Edited by - HalfMooner on 05/02/2009 22:31:03
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Kil
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USA
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Posted - 04/29/2009 :  09:16:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by marfknox

I know this is a seemingly random thing to latch onto, but why stock up on juice? Juice is mostly pretty empty calories and overloaded with sugars. Seems more sensible to stock up on canned and frozen goods, including fruits.

Just sayin'.
I think the juice is for if you actually become ill. You might not be able to keep down solid foods, eh

And lets not forget chicken soup. It cures everything. That's a scientific fact!



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Simon
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Posted - 04/29/2009 :  09:24:08   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Simon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Indeed, dehydration is one of the main problems you'd have to deal with. And easy to swallow and digest calories are actually a good thing when you are struggling against an infection.

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H. Humbert
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USA
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Posted - 04/29/2009 :  09:39:13   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Swine Flu: Patient Zero


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HalfMooner
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Philippines
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Posted - 04/29/2009 :  11:39:11   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by H. Humbert

Swine Flu: Patient Zero


Hilarious. That kid needs to learn the technical concept, "yucky."


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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 04/29/2009 :  12:46:49   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by H. Humbert

Swine Flu: Patient Zero
Eww!



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HalfMooner
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Posted - 04/29/2009 :  13:03:07   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Now, the reprehensible and possibly demented HIV/AIDS denialist, quack nostrum entrepreneur, and (former) dentist, Dr. Lenny Horowitz (who'd have guessed?) is saying the Mexican Swine flu was engineered by Dr. James S. Robertson, pharmaceutical company Novavax, and the Centers for Disease Control just to sell antiviral medicines. And he actually ends his video by advertising his Oxy-Silver cure-all. Quack scumbag!

The best I can say of the above video is that in it, at least Horowitz looks every bit as bug-fuck crazy as he sounds. And, since Loathsome Lenny has named Robertson as a criminal committing "genocide," maybe Horowitz will be sued until he pisses blood and finally disappear from public view. Well, one can only hope.

(Big hat tip to Abbie Smith at ERV.)


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive.
Edited by - HalfMooner on 04/29/2009 13:35:58
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Chippewa
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Posted - 04/29/2009 :  14:18:01   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Chippewa's Homepage Send Chippewa a Private Message  Reply with Quote
One question that isn't covered in the news media - is the regular standard yearly flu strain (that can be mild or serious too,) still out there? Does swine flu supersede past strains?

BTW -
WHO raises swine flu to level 5:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30398682/

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