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Kil
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Posted - 07/07/2009 :  11:27:44  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Physical Reality Of String Theory Shown In Quantum-critical State Of Electrons

ScienceDaily (July 7, 2009) — String theory has come under fire in recent years. Promises have been made that have not been lived up to. Leiden theoretical physicists have now for the first time used string theory to describe a physical phenomenon -- the quantum-critical state of electrons leading to high-temperature superconductivity. Their discovery has been reported recently in the journal Science.


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Theory of everything

This is the first time that a calculation based on string theory has been published in Science, even though the theory is widely known. "There have always been a lot of expectations surrounding string theory," Zaanen explains, having himself studied the theory to satisfy his own curiosity. "String theory is often seen as a child of Einstein that aims to devise a revolutionary and comprehensive theory, a kind of 'theory of everything.' Ten years ago, researchers even said: 'Give us two weeks and we'll be able to tell you where the big bang came from.' The problem of string theory was that, in spite of its excellent maths, it was never able to make a concrete link with the physical reality -- the world around us."


Well, really, I don't know a whole lot about this sort of thing. What I do know is that string theory has been considered not falsifiable and highly speculative. So this could be big news...

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Simon
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Posted - 07/07/2009 :  12:47:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Simon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
As far as I know, this is the first instance of testable hypothesis generated by the string theory. A test it passed brilliantly!

That's exciting indeed!

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filthy
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Posted - 07/07/2009 :  13:19:40   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I don't pretend to understand much if any of this, but high-temp superconductors are pretty amazing in themselves. I think I'll keep an eye out for further advances in the field.




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Dude
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Posted - 07/07/2009 :  13:28:17   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message  Reply with Quote
High temperature super conductor is a slightly misleading term. Materials that become superconductive near the liquid point of nitrogen (76kelvin? or something like that) are considered high temp.

Back to the OP... String Theory with a testable hypothesis and some evidence that supports the hypothesis is definitely interesting. Going to have to go read the journal article!


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Ricky
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Posted - 07/07/2009 :  13:52:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Don't forget that string theory predicted the existence of the graviton long ago. Hopefully we'll have verification once CERN starts working again.

However the criticism for string theory not being testable is not because we didn't understand it well enough yet to make predictions about the universe. Rather, there are so many forms of string theory that if you ever get conflicting results a change in the mathematical model can make it agree. Such ad-hoc changes do not bode well in science.

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