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the_ignored
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Posted - 07/11/2009 :  07:02:18  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Oh for dog's sake! Someone should tell those idiotic politicians over there to go suck a shillelagh.

Short version: if you say anything that a believer thinks is "grossly abusive or insulting" be prepared to prove it has "genuine literary, artistic, political, scientific, or academic value" or you'll be fined (up to approximately $35,000) and the material seized by force (under section 37 of the legislation). All for offending some believers sensibilities. At least the Government removed an imprisonment clause.



>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.

Edited by - the_ignored on 07/11/2009 11:59:59

filthy
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Posted - 07/11/2009 :  07:48:48   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Then if I should state, and I have, that the Triune -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit -- is no more than nonsense uttered thrice by a washed-up comedian, I could get fined? And I'd always thought of the Irish as a cheerful, free-spirited people.

Damn, were I to visit, I'd be in debtor's prison within a week of my arrival.




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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 07/11/2009 :  11:24:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm sure worshippers of The Flying Spagetti Monster can think of (and agree upon) some blasphemous thing which other theists says, which could be prosecuted.
Or maybe governmental officials become subject of this law, when they blaspheme against FSM, and are finally made to reconsider.


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The Rat
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Posted - 07/12/2009 :  06:09:48   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit The Rat's Homepage Send The Rat a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Disgusting laws such as this should not be simply ignored, they should be openly, blatantly, and very loudly be broken. All Irish citizens who believe in civil rights and freedom of speech should gather en masse and recite the most blasphemous things possible and defy the authorities to arrest them all.

Bailey's second law; There is no relationship between the three virtues of intelligence, education, and wisdom.

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HalfMooner
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Posted - 07/12/2009 :  07:47:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by The Rat

Disgusting laws such as this should not be simply ignored, they should be openly, blatantly, and very loudly be broken. All Irish citizens who believe in civil rights and freedom of speech should gather en masse and recite the most blasphemous things possible and defy the authorities to arrest them all.
I wholly agree. And maybe some of us outside of that now-benighted land should send the Irish the best in blasphemous literature, movies, songs, art, and poetry.

This law was a reactionary, last-gasp defense against an increasingly secular society. I feel it will not long stand.


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The Rat
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Posted - 07/12/2009 :  11:29:00   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit The Rat's Homepage Send The Rat a Private Message  Reply with Quote
If I had the money I would immediately finance a whirlwind tour of Ireland by Christopher Hitchens, and pay any legal bills incurred. He would straighten out their sorry asses or have fun trying. We could make all the money back by selling a video of the whole thing.

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HalfMooner
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Posted - 07/12/2009 :  12:57:10   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by the_ignored

Oh for dog's sake! Someone should tell those idiotic politicians over there to go suck a shillelagh.

Short version: if you say anything that a believer thinks is "grossly abusive or insulting" be prepared to prove it has "genuine literary, artistic, political, scientific, or academic value" or you'll be fined (up to approximately $35,000) and the material seized by force (under section 37 of the legislation). All for offending some believers sensibilities. At least the Government removed an imprisonment clause.



It is important to cut through the blarney and recognize that Ireland has passed a law against atheism.

This law has been enacted to suppress the rising tide of disbelief. It is a baldly discriminatory law because it bestows a "protection" upon one group (theists), while denying it to another (non-theists). Wiki: "Blasphemy is the use of the name of one or more gods, in a manner which is considered objectionable by a religious authority." It denies a similar "protection" (not that they wanted it) to the nonbelievers simply because it is by definition impossible to "blaspheme" a non-existent god of the godless.

The various theists of Ireland have banded together in panicked disorder to assure that every theistic religion is protected from criticism, with no such protection for unbelievers. This is a clear violation of human rights by the Republic of Ireland.


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filthy
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Posted - 07/12/2009 :  14:42:28   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by HalfMooner

Originally posted by The Rat

Disgusting laws such as this should not be simply ignored, they should be openly, blatantly, and very loudly be broken. All Irish citizens who believe in civil rights and freedom of speech should gather en masse and recite the most blasphemous things possible and defy the authorities to arrest them all.
I wholly agree. And maybe some of us outside of that now-benighted land should send the Irish the best in blasphemous literature, movies, songs, art, and poetry.

This law was a reactionary, last-gasp defense against an increasingly secular society. I feel it will not long stand.


Perhaps this might make for a start:
Atheist Top 30
By Eric Jayne

Like it or not, Christian music is undoubtedly popular. Among my daughter's peer group "Jesus Take the Wheel," by Carrie Underwood, is a very popular song that her friends sing when they get together. During my own adolescence I was an unwilling participant in an evangelical youth group where many discussions took place regarding Christian artists like Amy Grant, Petra, and DC Talk. Given the seemingly timeless popularity and ubiquity of pious music I felt the need to come up with a list of my favorite pro-atheist songs, many of which are delightfully sacrilegious. Some of these songs promote rational freethought, some satirize religious beliefs, and others celebrate science. In creating this list I factored musical composition and anti-ecclesiastical lyrics. Although this list consists of only 30 songs I will pretend to be Casey Kasem and introduce them in the American Top 40 show fashion starting with number 30.

By fortuitous coincidence, I found the link here.




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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


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filthy
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Posted - 07/25/2009 :  18:35:15   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, it is now signed, sealed and delivered.
After some hesitation, Ireland's president, Mary McAleese, signed into law on Thursday a controversial new measure which makes it a crime, punishable by a fine of up to $35,000, to publish or utter blasphemous statements in the Irish Republic.

As The Irish Times explained in April, the new law was crafted after someone noticed that while the country's constitution clearly calls blasphemy a criminal act, Irish legislators had failed to give the nation's police force the legal means to hold blasphemers to account.
Evidently, it'll take a change in Irland's constitution to get rid of it. I wonder if that will happen.




"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

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AnthroGeek
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Posted - 07/25/2009 :  19:41:11   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send AnthroGeek a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Oh just great. I was so looking forward to traveling to the emerald isle some time in the future. But what fun would it be to go there and not be able to say "Fuck all to Christ, you people have no god damn trees but by all the saint's asses you have the best fucking whiskey, so help me zombie Jesus! And where in the Holy Mother's cunt is all the fucking snakes? God fucking bless and may the Holy Spirit get us shit faced!"

But really, I did not know that Ireland was still so openly controlled by such theocratic ideas and laws. I assumed they left much of that behind with the whole IRA thing and the 80's.








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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 07/26/2009 :  01:42:56   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
"The Flying Spagetti Monster sprinkles Jesus with foul-smelling cheese!"

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