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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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 Posted - 08/02/2009 : 22:13:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Tipok
If you want to get into how unlikely things are then I'd have to say this:
It is much more unlikely for an organism to get a beneficial mutation (not just one that adds variety) that doesn't initially weaken before it can get another extremely unlikely mutation over and over again to form a functioning organ even over billions of years than for plenty of missing intermediates between evolving species not to be fossilized over millions of years. |
Okay, you made the above claim of your own free will: now prove it with empirical data. How have you measured the likelihood of the different scenarios you have laid out? Where are the hard data which show that one is more likely than the other? |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26021 Posts |
Posted - 08/02/2009 : 22:26:31 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Tipok
And how am I to be sure none of those are ideas like Ramapithecus, Nebraska Man, or Java Man (except not just for between apes and humans) where some sad little evolutionist makes false assumptions or manipulates the evidence to fool everyone else into thinking that evolution is fact. |
Bwahahaha! Liar, liar, pants on fire. Tipok, you're a sad little creationist if you feel the need to bring up "Nebraska Man" as an argument supporting how evolutionists are liars.
That, right there, demonstrates beyond any reasonable doubt, that you don't know a damn thing about the evolution/creation "debate" other than what you've been spoon-fed by your creationist overlords. Nebraska Man, of all things. Bwaahahahahahaahaha!
Let's hope you don't bring up Onyate Man, or I may just pee myself from laughing too hard. |
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The Rat
SFN Regular
Canada
1370 Posts |
Posted - 08/03/2009 : 15:05:54 [Permalink]
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The subject of transitional fossils is perhaps the smelliest red herring (not a transitional) that creationists have ever come up with. Not only are there transitional fossils, there are transitional species still living. Witness the monotremes, which have distinctly reptilian features to their skeletal structure, lay leathery eggs like a turtle or lizard, they have a rudimentary internal thermoregulatory system, are covered in fur, and provide milk for their young.
In addition, if evolution is true, and it is, then every single species alive, that has ever lived, or ever will live, is a transitional species - transitional between what it was and what it may become if conditions change and natural selection goes to work on it again.
This really isn't hard to understand. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 08/03/2009 : 17:07:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Tipok
And how am I to be sure none of those are ideas like Ramapithecus, Nebraska Man, or Java Man (except not just for between apes and humans) where some sad little evolutionist makes false assumptions or manipulates the evidence to fool everyone else into thinking that evolution is fact.
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You can be sure by getting off your dead ass and researching it. Thus far, I have seen nothing from you but unsupported statements. That is not acceptable, not in here. Hand-waving simply doesn't cut it. So you're going to have to provide empirical support for your claims or you will not be taken seriously.
Nebraska Man indeed! Who do you think shot that hog's tooth down, some preacher?
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