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filthy
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Posted - 11/17/2009 :  03:50:32  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
What was Missing on 60 Minutes Sunday Evening?

by Mark Looy, CCO, Answers in Genesis
November 15, 2009

Discerning viewers of Sunday evening’s 60 Minutes program about a remarkably preserved dinosaur bone should have noticed something missing. The “dinosaur in the room” was the program’s glossing over of the strong evidence that dinosaurs probably did not die out 65 million years ago in the evolutionary timetable.

I didn't see this show but I have been following the research. I am familiar with the fossil in question. Therefore, I must ask: What strong evidence was glossed over?
The segment was hosted by a gushing CBS-TV correspondent Lesley Stahl, who, while enraptured by the T. rex’s preserved soft tissue (including elastic blood vessels, with red blood cells, in its thigh bone) right in front of her, never thought to ask the question (at least on camera): why isn’t such preservation actually highly compelling evidence that dinosaurs have been around in recent times? If dinosaurs perished 65 million years ago, how in the world could the soft tissue have possibly survived and not have dried out 64 million years ago?

Hmm. Perhaps a closer reading of what the situation actually was might be in order. I will help:

"The dinosaur was under an incredible amount of rock," said Jack Horner, a curator of paleontology at the museum. "When it was collected, the specimen was very far away from a road, and everything had to be done by helicopter.

"The team made a plaster jacket to get part of the fossil out, and it was too big for the helicopter to lift. And so we had to take the fossil apart.

"In so doing, we had to break a thighbone in two pieces. When we did that, it allowed [Schweitzer] to get samples out of the middle of the specimen. You don't see that in most excavations, because every effort is made to keep the fossil intact," said Horner, a co-author of the study.

A certain amount of serendipity lead to the discovery.
Because the leg bone was deliberately broken in the field, no preservatives were added. As a result, the soft tissues were not contaminated.”

60 Minutes is a Peabody-winning investigative news program. Its awards are largely a tribute to the hard-charging efforts of its former executive producer, the late Don Hewitt. Hewitt was known as someone who was a critical thinker and a good “baloney detector.” One might think that had Hewitt still been at the helm of 60 Minutes, he would have insisted that the program dive right into a staring-them-right-in-the-face controversy: that dinosaurs may have lived much more recently than evolutionists have been dogmatically proclaiming for decades. That should have been the real story on 60 Minutes Sunday night, but one that the producers and correspondent ignored. (They could have at least tried to offer an explanation as to how the tissue could have been preserved for so long.)

No Mark, the story was the correct one. And I might add that it is a much better one than those that you tell. Exactly how the material survived the length of time that it did has yet to be discovered, but it is being worked on. I do not think that your version would have survived the late Mr. Hewitt's bullshit baloney detector.
60 Minutes did allude to one controversy over what was really found in the T. rex’s thigh bone, but it had nothing to do with the creation/evolution debate. Some evolutionists have been trying to cast doubt on the validity of the tissue discovery. For example, they say that perhaps what has been declared as tissue is really mineral spheres (containing iron). As for the material that is “elastic” as the TV program stated, these same detractors say that it might be “bacterial biofilm,” meaning that where the T. rex’s blood vessels once were, bacteria produced biofilm in its place. Ultimately, though, 60 Minutes stated that they looked just like “flexible blood vessels.”

A disagreement among scientists; what else is new? That's sort of thing is what drives science to discovery – no dogma, just inquiry.
But consider this: even if they were not blood vessels, how could biofilm itself have remained for millions of years? This alternative explanation also supports our contention that the T. rex bone gives strong evidence that this dinosaur did not die millions of years ago.

But I must remind that this bone came from dated strata some sixty eight million years old. Now, I am aware that you refuse to accept radiometric dating even though it has been shown to be accurate, but hand-waving and consulting a religious text of dubious scientific value is not much of a compelling argument.
Now, the 60 Minutes segment did try to make a case that dinosaurs did not become extinct 65 million years ago, namely: that the birds we see today are really dinosaurs. In fact, the program declared that this transition was a “settled” issue among scientists.  Well, not all scientists, such as PhD biologist Dr. David Menton of our staff, who wrote this article: “Ostrich-osaurus” discovery?

And when was the last time the good doctor published his field of research in a refereed journal? I'm sorry to put this forth (no I'm not), but as far as anyone can discern, your staff does no studies beyond trying, and failing, to tear down the research of real, working scientists. That Ph.D is meaningless unless he actually works in his field. Dr. Menton might's well drive a truck.
We find it highly ironic that as evolutionists mock us and our Creation Museum for believing that humans and dinosaurs have coexisted, that they are declaring that dinosaurs (in the form of even chickens) live with us today.

I'm not sure of what that even means. But everyone's getting something of a chuckle over the speculation that T.rex tasted like chicken, and this study is in the nature of collaborating that. Indeed, Professor Jack Horner, among others, is thinking of developing a sort of dino-chicken by manipulating embryo development. Ought to be interesting....

Dr. Menton’s article also gives our fuller perspective on this remarkable T. Rex find and how it supports the biblical timeline [sic] of history and not the evolutionary one.

Bullshit.....




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Edited by - filthy on 11/17/2009 05:30:10

Dave W.
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Originally posted by filthy

And when was the last time the good doctor published his field of research in a refereed journal? ... That Ph.D is meaningless unless he actually works in his field. Dr. Menton might's well drive a truck.
Google Scholar suggests this publication history:

Publications:

2    |  *     *
1    |* ** *  * * *     *****    *
0 ---+----------------------------
     |
Year: 6 7    7    8    8    9    9
      8 0    5    0    5    0    5

So he hasn't published in 14 years. His PhD was in Cell Biology, he was an associate professor of anatomy until 2000, and his 15 articles have been almost entirely about skin and wound healing.

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filthy
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Posted - 11/17/2009 :  09:01:31   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dave W.

Originally posted by filthy

And when was the last time the good doctor published his field of research in a refereed journal? ... That Ph.D is meaningless unless he actually works in his field. Dr. Menton might's well drive a truck.
Google Scholar suggests this publication history:

Publications:

2    |  *     *
1    |* ** *  * * *     *****    *
0 ---+----------------------------
     |
Year: 6 7    7    8    8    9    9
      8 0    5    0    5    0    5

So he hasn't published in 14 years. His PhD was in Cell Biology, he was an associate professor of anatomy until 2000, and his 15 articles have been almost entirely about skin and wound healing.
14 years...

My brother, who is the smart one, is also a Ph.D biologist and a tenured professor. He once told me that the guiding philosophy in science is: "Publish or perish." According to that, Dr. Menton is on his way to fossilization himself.

Thanks for the look-up!





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