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Randy
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Posted - 04/15/2010 :  15:28:39  Show Profile Send Randy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Cool beans; but this will get overturned pronto since the 'vast majority' of xtians want to dominate by mob rule.

http://host.madison.com/news/local/crime_and_courts/article_95640a20-48d0-11df-8b5c-001cc4c002e0.html

....snip:

Government involvement in prayer is constitutional only as long as it does not call for religious action, which the prayer day does, U.S. District Judge Barbara Crabb wrote in her ruling.

"It goes beyond mere 'acknowledgment' of religion because its sole purpose is to encourage all citizens to engage in prayer, an inherently religious exercise that serves no secular function in this context," Crabb wrote. "In this instance, the government has taken sides on a matter that must be left to individual conscience."

"We are all connected; to each other biologically, to the earth chemically, to the rest of the universe atomically."

"So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?"
-Neil DeGrasse Tyson

Robb
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Posted - 04/15/2010 :  16:44:41   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Robb a Private Message  Reply with Quote
No problem here. The government should not be calling for anyone to pray. The only way to ensure religious freedom is for the government to protect that freedom and not be involved in directing any religious activities.

Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. - George Washington
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ThorGoLucky
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Posted - 04/15/2010 :  16:58:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit ThorGoLucky's Homepage Send ThorGoLucky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
W00t!

And of course Faux News spins it as a bad thing, "undermining the values of religious freedom".

http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/04/15/judge-natl-day-of-prayer-unconstitutional/
Edited by - ThorGoLucky on 04/15/2010 17:18:03
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Randy
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Posted - 04/15/2010 :  17:04:18   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Randy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Robb

No problem here. The government should not be calling for anyone to pray. The only way to ensure religious freedom is for the government to protect that freedom and not be involved in directing any religious activities.


Well put, Robb. It's Civics 101.
I hear alot of complaints from certain Christians that their 'right' to pray is being taken away from them, such as above. Hogwash, I say. The Fed had no business starting this in the first place since it violates the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. Same thing with the "In God We Trust" currency and the national pledge "under God" deal; but that's another subject as some may say.
In as far as I know, anyone can pray anytime and anywhere they want to, it just can't be public, state, or fed government sanctioned.

It never ceases to amaze me how many just don't get it about how having a secular government PROTECTS religious freedom for all.

"We are all connected; to each other biologically, to the earth chemically, to the rest of the universe atomically."

"So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?"
-Neil DeGrasse Tyson
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ThorGoLucky
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Posted - 04/15/2010 :  17:16:24   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit ThorGoLucky's Homepage Send ThorGoLucky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Randy

It never ceases to amaze me how many just don't get it about how having a secular government PROTECTS religious freedom for all.


Edited by - ThorGoLucky on 04/15/2010 17:16:42
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Dave W.
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Posted - 04/15/2010 :  18:16:15   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Randy

It never ceases to amaze me how many just don't get it about how having a secular government PROTECTS religious freedom for all.
Right-wing Christians aren't interested, generally, in "religious freedom for all." And given their overwhelming majority in this country, they generally cannot conceive of the possibility that they'll ever be a minority whose rights might be trampled if the First Amendment is ignored.

For example, I asked one of our resident wingnuts about it once, about what he would do if a Hindu majority mandated that he pray to gods he doesn't believe in, and the response I got was basically, "yeah, like that'll ever happen." In other words, he wouldn't even consider the question as a hypothetical, it was rejected out-of-hand because he thought it was flat-out impossible.

Apparently, these people can't even be bothered to remember that there was a time when there wasn't a single Christian in the Western hemisphere, or even in the whole world. Britain and other European countries are currently headed back towards having Christian minorities.

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Randy
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Posted - 04/15/2010 :  18:54:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Randy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
20/20 ran a 'school prayer' report some years ago that came to a national lime-light do to a parent suing the local school board to stop daily school wide prayer over the intercom. In what I recall, the (Christan) plaintiff was hounded out of town. She won the lawsuit and the district suspended the PA public prayers.

Diane Sawyer interviewed a room full of pro-prayer citizens. "We have a god-given right to have school prayer", exclaimed several. Sawyer then asked one to suppose they had to move to a new community for the only job available, and that the majority there was Jewish; and that your children would have to be indoctrinated at the public school with the Jewish faith. "What would you do?", asked Sawyer. The response was a dumbfounded look.

Sawyer concludes with saying (to paraphrase), that having a secular government for all protects everyone right to their beliefs. (Again, more of the dumbfounded look.)

Lazy thinking abounds.

"We are all connected; to each other biologically, to the earth chemically, to the rest of the universe atomically."

"So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?"
-Neil DeGrasse Tyson
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sailingsoul
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Posted - 04/16/2010 :  06:56:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send sailingsoul a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the word Randy, on that decision. I never got my written mandate to pray anyway. One less thing that would send me to hell, for not doing. Along with all the things I do, what will. All because no one can prove just which delusion I'm supposed to pray to or which asinine idea I'm to kneel down to and kiss. SS

There are only two types of religious people, the deceivers and the deceived. SS
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